E90Post
 


 
BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum > E90 / E92 / E93 3-series Powertrain and Drivetrain Discussions > N54 Turbo Engine / Drivetrain / Exhaust Modifications - 335i > Reaction when changing between 91 and 93



Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      06-19-2014, 06:11 AM   #1
tinnsoldaten
Captain
tinnsoldaten's Avatar
Norway
34
Rep
715
Posts

Drives: e92 335i coupe
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Bergen

iTrader: (1)

Reaction when changing between 91 and 93

My have done this twice now, once I went from 93 to 91 , car backfired and almost died and I had to rev it to keep it alive. Became normal on the way home.

Today this happen again , I went from 91 to 93. Car died at intersection and had to rev it and then drove normal.

My tune is ESS stage 2 , that should handle 91 fine.

Any ideas ?
__________________
Vargas S2 turbos|VAC S3 Cylinder head|RR DPs|RR MPs|Supersprint X pipe|Remus Quad Sport mufflers|aFe Stage 2 Si with scoops|Forge DVs|ER CP|BMS meth elbow|Aquamist HFS-4|Walbro 450 E85 LPFP|AA FMIC|BMS OCC|MHD|P3 Boost Gauge|Ohlins Road & Track + camberplates|M3 sways F/R+ Ground control endlinks|Vorsteiner v303 19"|Michelin PS2 sport|Quaife LSD|Vorsteiner V35 CF hood|CF CLS trunk|Duke Dynamics quad diffusor
Appreciate 0
      06-19-2014, 07:23 AM   #2
v1nc86
Captain
Canada
25
Rep
633
Posts

Drives: 335xi
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Montreal

iTrader: (0)

Autotune map? If so, you need to reset it if you change from 91 to 93 or 93 to 91...
__________________
YouTube | 335xi Best 1/4 mile: 12.3@110 MPH | 335xi Top speed: 0-270 kph (165+ mph)
Appreciate 0
      06-19-2014, 08:03 AM   #3
Narcosis
The dude abides
Narcosis's Avatar
United_States
50
Rep
265
Posts

Drives: 2016 F82
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Wisconsin

iTrader: (2)

Or you're getting bad fuel. I switch from 91 to 93 to 91+e85 to 93+e85 to 91 and the car performs as expected. JB4 maps 1 and 5.
Appreciate 0
      06-19-2014, 11:49 AM   #4
georgelb
nsomneeak
georgelb's Avatar
United_States
39
Rep
501
Posts

Drives: E92 RB 335i
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: DFW, TX

iTrader: (3)

Garage List
2007 335i  [8.00]
Sounds like bad fuel to me too. The ESS S2 is tuned for 91, so it should be fine with 91 and anything above. Where are you getting your gas, and is that initial hiccup the only issue through the full tank of gas?
__________________

RB Turbos w/ N20 TMAP Sensor | 93 Octane Protune by Cobb Plano | xHP Stage 3 | BMS DCI | STETT CP | Forge DVs | RB PCV | Helix FMIC | CP-E Catted DPs | Walbro 450 | Bilstein B12 | M3 Control Arms | Defiv Lockdown Kit | BBS CH | Michelin A/S 3+
Hixson BMW of Monroe, LA - Shady Dealer |
Appreciate 0
      06-19-2014, 11:51 AM   #5
tc535i
Lieutenant Colonel
215
Rep
1,818
Posts

Drives: 2007 335i, 2001 330i, 1995 M3
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: West Los Angeles

iTrader: (1)

nothing to do with the fuel imo
Appreciate 0
      06-19-2014, 04:03 PM   #6
tinnsoldaten
Captain
tinnsoldaten's Avatar
Norway
34
Rep
715
Posts

Drives: e92 335i coupe
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Bergen

iTrader: (1)

I tanked from Statoil once , the first time it happen.
Now it was with Shell , 98 nitro plus ( RON93 for u US guys )
Car has latest injectors installed and coded.
__________________
Vargas S2 turbos|VAC S3 Cylinder head|RR DPs|RR MPs|Supersprint X pipe|Remus Quad Sport mufflers|aFe Stage 2 Si with scoops|Forge DVs|ER CP|BMS meth elbow|Aquamist HFS-4|Walbro 450 E85 LPFP|AA FMIC|BMS OCC|MHD|P3 Boost Gauge|Ohlins Road & Track + camberplates|M3 sways F/R+ Ground control endlinks|Vorsteiner v303 19"|Michelin PS2 sport|Quaife LSD|Vorsteiner V35 CF hood|CF CLS trunk|Duke Dynamics quad diffusor
Appreciate 0
      06-19-2014, 09:08 PM   #7
ihc95
Major
ihc95's Avatar
145
Rep
1,314
Posts

Drives: 2021 X3 M40i, 2018 Mustang GT
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: NJ

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by tc535i
nothing to do with the fuel imo
+1.
Appreciate 0
      06-20-2014, 12:59 AM   #8
minifridge1138
Private
11
Rep
63
Posts

Drives: It has 4 wheels and an engine
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Earth

iTrader: (0)

I'd also speculate bad gas. Going 91 -> 93 should not cause problems with a tune. The ECU had adjusted to 91 and 93 can take just as much timing as 91, so no problem.

Going from 93 -> 91 could cause issues until the ECU adjusted timing to prevent pre-ignition.

The only way I can think 93 would cause problems is if the ECU is is too aggressive trying to adjust and then backs down.
Appreciate 0
      06-20-2014, 01:43 AM   #9
oogabooga
Second Lieutenant
United_States
36
Rep
228
Posts

Drives: 2013 E92 Melbourne M3
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Los Angeles, CA

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2013 BMW M3  [0.00]
Where I am in California we have horrible crappy gas.

You mentioned that you ran 91 + e85 with the tune. Do you think I would be okay running a mix of e85 and 91 if I am completely stock? I looked at some other threads and they said it should be okay as long as I run a tiny amount of e85 just as an octane booster. (Like 14 gallons 91 (with 10% ethanol) and 2 gallons e85?) Did you ever try running the 91 with the e85 while stock?

I would have never thought that increased the octane rating would cause the car to stall.
Appreciate 0
      06-26-2014, 01:43 PM   #10
tinnsoldaten
Captain
tinnsoldaten's Avatar
Norway
34
Rep
715
Posts

Drives: e92 335i coupe
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Bergen

iTrader: (1)

Now it happen again , I filled it with premium gas from Shell and full tank, after my car wouldnt start , when I got it to run , it run only on few cylinders , got some codes too.

Im sure this got to do with my walbro pump , the soldering done on cables are solid , but the insulation done afterwards will allow fuel to contact bare metal where its been soldered.

Is this alone case of my headache ? Bucket and pump is out of the car.

Any pointers on what to use to seal my soldering properly ? If that is the reason for this .

I only had problems with car starting when I have been filling gas. Never inbetween. And this was first time I filled tank completely. Other times max half tank.


Faults from oil level too low is from after filling , engine was filled up with 1 liter oil earlier.
Attached Images
 
__________________
Vargas S2 turbos|VAC S3 Cylinder head|RR DPs|RR MPs|Supersprint X pipe|Remus Quad Sport mufflers|aFe Stage 2 Si with scoops|Forge DVs|ER CP|BMS meth elbow|Aquamist HFS-4|Walbro 450 E85 LPFP|AA FMIC|BMS OCC|MHD|P3 Boost Gauge|Ohlins Road & Track + camberplates|M3 sways F/R+ Ground control endlinks|Vorsteiner v303 19"|Michelin PS2 sport|Quaife LSD|Vorsteiner V35 CF hood|CF CLS trunk|Duke Dynamics quad diffusor
Appreciate 0
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:33 AM.




e90post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST