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      12-28-2007, 03:31 AM   #1
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Breaking in, One manufacturers version...

Reading in Evo this month about the new Nissan GT-R, and they state they once the car has been completed on the production line, drive it straight into a rolling road (no indication to what load or revs, would imagine they do this to run in the cams, and prob all car makers do this?..... i dont know!!) and then straight out onto a test track.

The first two laps are completed at 60mph with FLAT OUT, (Throtle wide open) and with the foot firmly on the brakes at the same time to bed in the brakes. (imagine the load on the brand new engine with both pedals being mashed together)

This is the followed by FOUR STANDING starts to run-in the transmission.


NOW THATS A HARD BREAK IN

To finish off they drive down a rough surfaced road to test the suspension.

She is then ready to go to the dealers to be sold.


Wonder how many numpties on Nissan Forums when they pick up there NEW GT-R will ask how to run her in and will drive her gently for 1000 miles

when its already been hammered


Nissan motors usually go on for ages too.. so everyone... MASH FROM NEW..



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      12-28-2007, 03:51 AM   #2
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Don`t forget Carl the manufacturers running-in period is also to allow the owner to become accustomed to the car. The last thing a manufacturer would want is for a load of owners to jump straight in, drive like you and crash. The car would very quickly gain a reputation and "knock up" the insurance grouping.
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Don`t forget Carl the manufacturers running-in period is also to allow the owner to become accustomed to the car. The last thing a manufacturer would want is for a load of owners to jump straight in, drive like you and crash. The car would very quickly gain a reputation and "knock up" the insurance grouping.
Yes fair enough, but we aint driving 600bhp + lambos are we.. Its more to bed the car in than become accustomed to it. Why else place 4k revlimits?


you still wont know how the car drivers over that 4k untill you do it anyway.

I used to believe in running in new car engines now i dont. This nissan examples proves you dont need to with their cars, wonder how many others are the same.


I saw a 53 plate Laguna M3 vert (with hard top) last night mike and thought of you
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      12-28-2007, 05:02 AM   #4
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I`ll bet any money Nissan will still suggest a run-in period.
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run ins, as Mike suggests, are more to allow you to familiarise yourself with the car, notice any defects and protect BMW from 1000's of brand new crashed cars on their books.

Remember that BMWs do not come with run in brakes so you either need to baby them for a couple of hundred normal miles or learn how to bed them in too...

At that I'll step back

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Carl, maybe these people can help with your search to beat a CSL ?

Their manual 330d is quicker than a 335d.

http://antandpete.vault5.com/tuning....TotalOutput=92
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Mikem im a member of antandpete they bought a 335d to tune and ended up giving it back as they could get the power to gel with the box and said that the 330d was faster!!!!
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Mikem im a member of antandpete they bought a 335d to tune and ended up giving it back as they could get the power to gel with the box and said that the 330d was faster!!!!
The sooner BMW find a manual G`box for the 335d, the better.

Ant and Pete`s E46 330d was run against a friends E46 M3 in Performance BMW and there was very little in it `till high speed.
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I`ll bet any money Nissan will still suggest a run-in period.
and it will be a waste of time aswell wont it.


what quarter did the tuned 330d do then? what BHP is it?

i might use the same people to do my 335d what do you think?


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i might use the same people to do my 335d what do you think?
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You had better saving your pennies then Carl, it's not just a case of a re-map, if you read the link Mike posted:

http://antandpete.vault5.com/tuning....TotalOutput=92 )

it's clear the process is more involved then just that.

Also read what Steve wrote:

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Steve A Mikem im a member of antandpete they bought a 335d to tune and ended up giving it back as they could get the power to gel with the box and said that the 330d was faster!!!!
You could always trade down to a 330D.

I guess I should have strung all the quotes together, perhaps you would have read it all in one go then
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      12-28-2007, 11:34 AM   #11
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If I read it right carlos, they don't DO 335ds



Why not just go with the recommended map and use Simon. He seems to offer a good service and a great map according to all the guys n gals running it

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Why not just go with the recommended map and use Simon. He seems to offer a good service and a great map according to all the guys n gals running it.
+1, well said James
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+2 on that James, hope your lady is feeling better.

Carlos get a REAL M3, there's one or two on ebay being sold by dealers. Gets you out of the re-map issue as well Oh I forgot, insurance could be a killer though.
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You had better saving your pennies then Carl, it's not just a case of a re-map, if you read the link Mike posted:

http://antandpete.vault5.com/tuning....TotalOutput=92 )

it's clear the process is more involved then just that.

Also read what Steve wrote:



You could always trade down to a 330D.

I guess I should have strung all the quotes together, perhaps you would have read it all in one go then
if a stock 335d is anywhere between 290-310bhp than a 320bhp manual 330d will be quicker


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If I read it right carlos, they don't DO 335ds



Why not just go with the recommended map and use Simon. He seems to offer a good service and a great map according to all the guys n gals running it

SJ

Well please correct me if im wrong,

the map ''only'' sorts out midrange BHP and torque!

He leaves the torque limiters in place in first and second, and also turns the map back to stock power levels at the end of the rev range,

i want a healthy increase in BHP and torque all the way and would like to loose the torque limiter in 2nd gear.

Before anyone goes ''it will break'' will it fuck....

It seems this CAA/Emaps map is just a slight gentle increase to midrange, thus a mild improvement in performance and 1105 reliablity which is fair enough..

I want a RE-MAP.. not a slightly altered stock map

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+2 on that James, hope your lady is feeling better.

Carlos get a REAL M3, there's one or two on ebay being sold by dealers. Gets you out of the re-map issue as well Oh I forgot, insurance could be a killer though.
''Daddy'' has his own company, insurance would not be an issue.
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Ooohhh get you then Carlos. When you getting one then? My Dad had his own company but never bought me a car - got a horse instead
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Ooohhh get you then Carlos. When you getting one then? My Dad had his own company but never bought me a car - got a horse instead
I aint getting one, i am happy with my 335d purchase lol!!

Anyone got ANYthing to say about what i said earlier about RE-MAPPING
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Anyone got ANYthing to say about what i said earlier about RE-MAPPING
Why Carlos, seems you'e got all the knowledge you need ?

Not even the combined efforts of proven experts, collegues in tuning and generel petrol head good sense can seem to offer you any valid advice...

So why bother ?



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I aint getting one, i am happy with my 335d purchase lol!!

Anyone got ANYthing to say about what i said earlier about RE-MAPPING
Carlos go to chipped uk they will perform a live map and basically give you what you want. However it will prob cost about 4k.
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Anyone got ANYthing to say about what i said earlier about RE-MAPPING
Yes.

Carlos,as you are so determined, have a word with Roy at CAA,they can arrange 'live' mapping, anywhere between £1450 - 2300 approx.

Or do as Stevie suggests and go to Chipped UK.

Lets us know when it's done and we can pit Simon's mapped car's against yours, interesting exercise, yes?

What's the chance of it ever happening, shall I start running a book?

I'll go 25-1 against Carlos putting up

Any other taker's?
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Just out of interest how many miles is the manufacturers warranty.

60, 80 or 100k ??
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Just out of interest how many miles is the manufacturers warranty.

60, 80 or 100k ??

Unlimited for first 2 yrs or 3yrs/60 K
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