[Moisted]

I just got my 2015 435i F36 EBII with M performance kit, M brakes, M everything... and I don't have the M badge on the side. The dealer said only European models get the M badge. Is that right?

Also, my side grills are not black, they're body colored. Just wondering if I got ripped.

[fecurtis]

That's nice of BMW. At least you won't have to remove the tacky M emblem on the fender.

Also AFAIK, in NA, the fender is body colored.

[jd_perspective]

pretty sure that's all correct. exports shouldn't have the badges and grills are black. same on my car in the US.

[Moisted]

Originally Posted by exl_ent_v6

pretty sure that's all correct. exports shouldn't have the badges and grills are black. same on my car in the US.

..."grills are black"? Mine are blue.

[smithf80]

My car has a black bimmerang. EB II MSport F32. I think it looks great black.

[spuntyb]

I thought Euro models got the M badge and body colored bimmerang. It looks like they got the debadged part right, but not the bimmerang. I'm pretty sure they come from the factory body colored and need to be painted black for the NA market. Maybe they missed it?

[335BOY]

Originally Posted by fecurtis

That's nice of BMW. At least you won't have to remove the tacky M emblem on the fender.

Also AFAIK, in NA, the fender is body colored.

Agreed. Tacky. I gather they removed all those little badges of 2015 MY. Same as M235.

[Aaaaaaaaa]

Bimmerangs are black on mine and all other stock 4 series that I've seen. Looks like you got a unique car. Some prefer the body color. There's one guy in particular who feels very strongly about the fender M badges I'm sure he'll chime in soon...

[Jimminez]

Congrats on the new acquisition.

[joewalton]

Originally Posted by Moisted

I just got my 2015 435i F36 EBII with M performance kit, M brakes, M everything... and I don't have the M badge on the side. The dealer said only European models get the M badge. Is that right?

Also, my side grills are not black, they're body colored. Just wondering if I got ripped.

First off, congrats on the new ride.

The M badges are for Europe only as are painted fender vents. Both are available for reasonable prices in the aftermarket, I had them put on my US model as well as the painted front reflectors which aren't necessary in Europe either.

I'm a BMW purist. I want my car to look like its German designers intended. It's a lot cleaner on the front quarter this way.

The painted reflectors and painted Bimmerangs are from IND:

http://ind-distribution.com/ind/bran...ed-fender-trim

The M fender badges are from ECS Tuning:

http://www.ecstuning.com/Search/Site...881/ES2678974/

[Thumper333]

It's funny, but I have to ask. Would any of us American's go to Germany where the badges are FACTORY installed and call them losers and other names because they didn't take them off?

LOL

There are lots of things Euro cars get that we don't. For instance, in Europe the GTIs can be optioned with rearveiw cameras integrated into the rear hatch emblem. People buy kits to add these in, they are euro factory matching parts. Sure, a camera is different than a badge (they are also called Golf GTIs there, not GTIs).

I don't have a dog in the fight either way, I may actually add the badges to my F31, I may not, and either way what other people think about it doesn't affect my choice. but I just find it funny that people get so worked up about what FACTORY parts people put on their cars. LOL

[teaston]

Originally Posted by spuntyb

I thought Euro models got the M badge and body colored bimmerang. It looks like they got the debadged part right, but not the bimmerang. I'm pretty sure they come from the factory body colored and need to be painted black for the NA market. Maybe they missed it?

Here they come with black bimmerangs and M badges as standard, but you can have without M badges and/or colour matched bimmerangs, both at no cost.

[bahasad]

Yeah it's a bastardization of the m brand. BMW themselves are guilty because the purists than ran the company have obviously left it for the bean counters.

In my mind, M = higher performance than stock not just cosmetics. M-car specific powertrain, suspension, etc. Don't have those? Then no M-badge. The m-sport body kit looks great, don't get me wrong. But an m-sport body kit does not make an "M".

Maybe I put too much value on that badge, but to me it has earned its prestige not to be on a regular-spec car.

M235I, M135I, M3, M4, M5, M6, X5 M, X6 M. That's a lot more "M"s than I'd like but they deserve that badge in some form or another.

[dubdemand]

I don't know why everyone feels so strongly about this - Audi have been doing it for years with S branding on every surface and no one complains!

[Thumper333]

Originally Posted by bahasad

M235I, M135I, M3, M4, M5, M6, X5 M, X6 M. That's a lot more "M"s than I'd like but they deserve that badge in some form or another.

I optioned my M-Sport with the DHP, does that help?


Seriously, the M cars have Ms in their badge. I wouldn't presume to put an M on the hatch in front of my 328d and call it an M328. but a stand alone M ont he fender would signify yes it is an M-Sport (or M inspired if it makes you happy LOL).

They are just badges, why would you get so worked up either way though? A badge hasn't "earned" anything, it's a piece of plastic glued to a car.

And yes, Audi does the same thing with their S-Line package.

[joewalton]

Originally Posted by bahasad

Yeah it's a bastardization of the m brand. BMW themselves are guilty because the purists than ran the company have obviously left it for the bean counters.

In my mind, M = higher performance than stock not just cosmetics. M-car specific powertrain, suspension, etc. Don't have those? Then no M-badge. The m-sport body kit looks great, don't get me wrong. But an m-sport body kit does not make an "M".

Maybe I put too much value on that badge, but to me it has earned its prestige not to be on a regular-spec car.

M235I, M135I, M3, M4, M5, M6, X5 M, X6 M. That's a lot more "M"s than I'd like but they deserve that badge in some form or another.

The M-Sport is a legitimate BMW configuration that deserves a lot more respect than it gets. And, in my case, 4 Series, Gran Coupe, RWD plus Adaptive M-Suspension plus Sport Automatic Transmission plus Variable Sport Steering is one hell of a car, certainly worthy of the M badge.

Also, be advised, the M-Sport models are designed by the same people who design and engineer the M. You are defending a myth that isn't true. The "M" belongs to the M4 and the M-Sport equally.

As for the silly logo conversation, BMW puts 11 of them on the US version, another 2 make no difference especially since that's the way they roll off the factory floor in Germany for every world market except the USA. I just spent three weeks in Hong Kong, China, London, and Italy and the M-Sport badges looked great, it's how millions of BMW's look in other countries (Sport and Luxury models get badges too) so why not here? I'm very pleased with how they look and that's all that matters.

[bahasad]

Originally Posted by joewalton

The M-Sport is a legitimate BMW configuration that deserves a lot more respect than it gets. And, in my case, 4 Series, Gran Coupe, RWD plus Adaptive M-Suspension plus Sport Automatic Transmission plus Variable Sport Steering is one hell of a car, certainly worthy of the M badge.

No it isn't worthy of the M badge - those options don't have anything to do with elevating your 428 to an M-spec car level. Where are the M-suspension bits (DHP doesn't mean shit). Where is the DCT like most M save the 235i/135i have? Where is the adjustable shift patterns? Where is the M-spec level engine and all the ancillary components?

But I'm not going to argue my point any further with you, because you're the one perpetuating this fake poser BS.

Put this thread and post on the M-forum. I'd love to see the comments on your "428I being worthy of an M badge".

[joewalton]

Originally Posted by bahasad

No it isn't worthy of the M badge - those options don't have anything to do with elevating your 428 to an M-spec car level. Where are the M-suspension bits (DHP doesn't mean shit). Where is the DCT like most M save the 235i/135i have? Where is the adjustable shift patterns? Where is the M-spec level engine and all the ancillary components?

But I'm not going to argue my point any further with you, because you're the one perpetuating this fake poser BS.

Put this thread and post on the M-forum. I'd love to see the comments on your "428I being worthy of an M badge".

First, I have friends who actually own M4's and they don't understand strangers who put these cars on a pedestal. They laugh at the kind of stuff people like you write, defending some myth that they themselves mock. "M division is special!" "It's the Ultimate Driving Machine!" TV commercials much? Coke. It's the real thing.

Next, you have an XDrive F30 which is the softest suspension BMW makes and don't even have an M-Sport and you talk this way? LOLZ. Sort of reminds me of this high school friend of mine, hung out with all the jocks and cheerleaders, couldn't even make the chess team.

I'd like to see you in the M-forum, pandering to those who you apparently worship so much. Do you offer to wash their socks? Sniff their keyfobs? Let them see your no-Line dressed up like a bad Acura, see what they think. My M-Sport badges are standard equipment in dozens of countries, they're a lot more genuine than you and your nutty rhetoric and attempt to make your BMW look like a bad Acura.

[sygazelle]

Originally Posted by bahasad

No it isn't worthy of the M badge - those options don't have anything to do with elevating your 428 to an M-spec car level. Where are the M-suspension bits (DHP doesn't mean shit). Where is the DCT like most M save the 235i/135i have? Where is the adjustable shift patterns? Where is the M-spec level engine and all the ancillary components?

But I'm not going to argue my point any further with you, because you're the one perpetuating this fake poser BS.

Put this thread and post on the M-forum. I'd love to see the comments on your "428I being worthy of an M badge".

BMW added these two fender badges at the factory 4 series outside the US. I think he is just saying putting them back on in the US is okay because it was intended by BMW to be that way to give the M-sport trim some extra flair. Since he is a purist, he just wants to make it the way the BMW gods intended.

I don't really care what other people do to their cars. But putting M on the hatch or trunk in front of the 428 and calling it an M428 seems a bit over the top since there is no M428 model from the factory. No BMW purist would do that, would they?

[joewalton]

Originally Posted by sygazelle

BMW added these two fender badges at the factory 4 series outside the US. I think he is just saying putting them back on in the US is okay because it was intended by BMW to be that way to give the M-sport trim some extra flair. Since he is a purist, he just wants to make it the way the BMW gods intended.

I don't really care what other people do to their cars. But putting M on the hatch or trunk in front of the 428 and calling it an M428 seems a bit over the top since there is no M428 model from the factory. No BMW purist would do that, would they?

That's exactly right. I can't see how any BMW aficionado would have an issue with someone putting back something on the car that BMW themselves intended to be there.

The M-Sport isn't just another line like the Luxury or the Sport or the old Modern. It's made by the M Division, designed and engineered by the same people who make the M. If they think it's cool to put M badges on an M-Sport then everyone should support that.

[smithf80]

Originally Posted by joewalton

First, I have friends who actually own M4's and they don't understand strangers who put these cars on a pedestal. They laugh at the kind of stuff people like you write, defending some myth that they themselves mock. "M division is special!" "It's the Ultimate Driving Machine!" TV commercials much? Coke. It's the real thing.

Next, you have an XDrive F30 which is the softest suspension BMW makes and don't even have an M-Sport and you talk this way? LOLZ. Sort of reminds me of this high school friend of mine, hung out with all the jocks and cheerleaders, couldn't even make the chess team.

I'd like to see you in the M-forum, pandering to those who you apparently worship so much. Do you offer to wash their socks? Sniff their keyfobs? Let them see your no-Line dressed up like a bad Acura, see what they think. My M-Sport badges are standard equipment in dozens of countries, they're a lot more genuine than you and your nutty rhetoric and attempt to make your BMW look like a bad Acura.

[bahasad]

Originally Posted by joewalton

First, I have friends who actually own M4's and they don't understand strangers who put these cars on a pedestal. They laugh at the kind of stuff people like you write, defending some myth that they themselves mock. "M division is special!" "It's the Ultimate Driving Machine!" TV commercials much? Coke. It's the real thing.

Next, you have an XDrive F30 which is the softest suspension BMW makes and don't even have an M-Sport and you talk this way? LOLZ. Sort of reminds me of this high school friend of mine, hung out with all the jocks and cheerleaders, couldn't even make the chess team.

I'd like to see you in the M-forum, pandering to those who you apparently worship so much. Do you offer to wash their socks? Sniff their keyfobs? Let them see your no-Line dressed up like a bad Acura, see what they think. My M-Sport badges are standard equipment in dozens of countries, they're a lot more genuine than you and your nutty rhetoric and attempt to make your BMW look like a bad Acura.

My BMW looking like a bad Acura will wipe the floor with your stock Gran Coupe. Your M badges and DHP don't mean shit to real mods - i.e. what my car has.
Good luck matching my Tune, Exhaust, Soon to be downpipes, Static lowered suspension, and Pilot Super Sports that I have ready. AWD will just help me get traction off the line so better that too I guess.

I see you're in NJ, i'm from there, and would happily go back to show you the difference between your car and mine.

Fuck, if we talking M, my car is probably closer to an M than your bullshit is. Performance makes a car, not a body kit, no matter how good it looks. DHP and "Sport Auto" (which I can code any day) does not an M-make and does not a performance car make.