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In response to the happenings in Bristol.

Why can we not hang those eventually found to have been involved?

Just how the hell do her parents cope with this.

Knowing someone has died, been killed in an RTA or even stabbed is bad enough.

My personnal view is those involved including aiding and abetting would be hanged.

What's Tyburn like these days?

[Nick the Greek]

The cancer of liberalism that has spread from Europe has made our politicians weak in the face of evil.

There are no leaders anymore, only puppets.

We need a Thatcher and a Reagan.

Until that time we fawn at the feet of weak and direction less leaders.

[73henny]

Hanging would be too good for them. Let the white mice go and conduct clinical trials with extreme medicines. That way they'd bring some good to decent humans.
Could also replace expensive crash test dummies too.

[Tengocity]

So if we are agreed that murder is so bad/evil/wrong, then how does it make sense that murdering someone in return is ok?

Surely if it's wrong, then it's always wrong?

Or is killing ok sometimes?

[teaston]

Death sentence is far too easy for them!

Let them rot in prison, living every day for the rest of their lives regretting what they did!

[Nick the Greek]

Originally Posted by Tengocity

So if we are agreed that murder is so bad/evil/wrong, then how does it make sense that murdering someone in return is ok?

Surely if it's wrong, then it's always wrong?

Or is killing ok sometimes?

Are you vegetarian?

Does your car have plastic seats?

[Tengocity]

Originally Posted by Nick the Greek

Are you vegetarian?

Does your car have plastic seats?

Just a question...

As for the seats, not combined there's that much actual leather content!

[Andrewthefirst]

Originally Posted by teaston

Death sentence is far too easy for them!

Let them rot in prison, living every day for the rest of their lives regretting what they did!

Cost the taxpayer over £40k per prisoner per year.

Give 'em the rope.

[Andrewthefirst]

Originally Posted by Tengocity

So if we are agreed that murder is so bad/evil/wrong, then how does it make sense that murdering someone in return is ok?

Surely if it's wrong, then it's always wrong?

Or is killing ok sometimes?

There's lots of if's and buts...but the argument from that side of the fence is that as life is so precious, we therefore should have the ultimate deterrent in place to stop killers.

I would also support extra tough punishment for those who attack/kill police or military.

[Kal101]

Originally Posted by Andrewthefirst

Cost the taxpayer over £40k per prisoner per year.

Give 'em the rope.

Work out how much we as taxpayers have to fork out to maintain these oxygen thieves in relative comfort - warm environment roof over their heads 3 square meals etc compared to those living on the borderline etc poor people in third world countries etc etc.

Then link this back to how other services are suffering due to lack of funding eg nhs. War veterans current civil and military forces etc etc etc.

Then do a relatively simple thought. Where would you rather YOUR money was spent ???

[Andrewthefirst]

Originally Posted by Kal27

Work out how much we as taxpayers have to fork out to maintain these oxygen thieves in relative comfort - warm environment roof over their heads 3 square meals etc compared to those living on the borderline etc poor people in third world countries etc etc.

Then link this back to how other services are suffering due to lack of funding eg nhs. War veterans current civil and military forces etc etc etc.

Then do a relatively simple thought. Where would you rather YOUR money was spent ???

As I said give 'em the rope.

[Edinburra]

Originally Posted by Andrewthefirst

There's lots of if's and buts...but the argument from that side of the fence is that as life is so precious, we therefore should have the ultimate deterrent in place to stop killers.

I would also support extra tough punishment for those who attack/kill police or military.

+1

[Tengocity]

Originally Posted by Andrewthefirst

There's lots of if's and buts...but the argument from that side of the fence is that as life is so precious, we therefore should have the ultimate deterrent in place to stop killers.

I would also support extra tough punishment for those who attack/kill police or military.

Is the sentence supposed to be a deterrent or a punishment?

My problem is that I can find a completely valid argument for and against the death penalty, and I struggle to reconcile that.

[Tengocity]

But sorry I don't think one persons life is more important than others. Where do you draw the line on that? Soldiers worth more than a child's? Or a defenceless pensioners?

[73henny]

Originally Posted by Tengocity

Is the sentence supposed to be a deterrent or a punishment?

Both.

Quite obviously prison is no deterrent to the b******s that interfere with children. Perhaps they'd think twice if they thought that being caught would lead to them being strapped into a euroncap crash test, then being used for trainee medics.
Plenty of uses like that for them. We don't need years of clinical trials for life saving cancer drugs.

[Andrewthefirst]

Originally Posted by Tengocity

Is the sentence supposed to be a deterrent or a punishment?

My problem is that I can find a completely valid argument for and against the death penalty, and I struggle to reconcile that.

Should be both in my view.

I would be a death penalty supporter, but the concern of course for me is the accuracy of the conviction in the first place.

[Andrewthefirst]

Originally Posted by Tengocity

But sorry I don't think one persons life is more important than others. Where do you draw the line on that? Soldiers worth more than a child's? Or a defenceless pensioners?

There's no respect for the law in this decaying and pillaged society. I don't think a policeman's life is more important than that of a child, but the bad guys need to really fear the police. Currently people laugh at the police and have no fear of them or of the pathetically lenient judicial system.

[Bibbles]

I think the people that did this deserve to die and I have no problem with the eye for an eye mentality. The only argument that I can't get around for death sentences is that there are sometimes mistakes and people that are mistakenly found guilty currently get sent to prison and can be released when the mistake is realised. Not so easy to do if you've killed them.

[73henny]

Originally Posted by Andrewthefirst

There's no respect for the law in this decaying and pillaged society. I don't think a policeman's life is more important than that of a child, but the bad guys need to really fear the police. Currently people laugh at the police and have no fear of them or of the pathetically lenient judicial system.

+1

Originally Posted by Bibbles

I think the people that did this deserve to die and I have no problem with the eye for an eye mentality. The only argument that I can't get around for death sentences is that there are sometimes mistakes and people that are mistakenly found guilty currently get sent to prison and can be released when the mistake is realised. Not so easy to do if you've killed them.

Correct. Although if the deterrent works, no-one can be mistakenly be found guilty if there was no crime in the first place.
Prison is too good for them, no bills to pay, fed and watered, Sky TV. So put them to use in other ways. Testing bullet proof vests and how small a parachute can be sounds good too.

[Mattyk]

Originally Posted by Brigand

In response to the happenings in Bristol.

Why can we not hang those eventually found to have been involved?

Just how the hell do her parents cope with this.

Knowing someone has died, been killed in an RTA or even stabbed is bad enough.

My personnal view is those involved including aiding and abetting would be hanged.

What's Tyburn like these days?

I agree, it's sickening, it would be hard enough to cope with the death, the manner of the discovery is just ......

Hanging is too good in my view, too quick. It should be a long slow painful end.

[matt_320d]

It's not that there are no individuals bad enough to be deserving of death...

It's that there are no organisations good enough to carry out the sentence.

Look at the royal clusterfu*k this government makes of nearly everything it touches.. And the government before that...you really want to put the power to execute citizens back into their hands?

I'd rather hand a monkey on LSD a submachine gun.

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Originally Posted by Tengocity

So if we are agreed that murder is so bad/evil/wrong, then how does it make sense that murdering someone in return is ok?

Surely if it's wrong, then it's always wrong?

Or is killing ok sometimes?

You are mixing up murder, as in pre meditated killing, with other forms of death.

Even within murder, I would say there is a scalable area.

Example, fight in bar, starts of with punches etc, however one bloke pulls a gun, shoots the other person.

Different scenario, Same person walks in shoots someone in head, just random person.

Then you have the Fred wests, then this lot..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4664492.stm

Yes, life is precious, however some people do things so vile, they loose the right to have a precious life.

Also remember we are having a more culturally mixed society where life is not always held in the same esteem and death or killing is exceptionally common.