Beware of software upgrades

sahajesh · 03-15-2015, 03:49 AM

Had my car coded for a few minor things, however after a software update (which I asked the dealer to do), I now have an uncodeable car.

No loss as I didn't have anything major that had been lost, but for all those people who decide not to buy EBT and plan to code, be warned you may lose it for ever!

A helpful dealer may do an upgrade without telling you, for example and think it's a nice thing to do.

Motto is to always buy options like EBT as you may lose it in the future!

On the plus side, iDrive is a lot better now after the upgrade and BT streaming works better too - I'm happier post-upgrade, although I would like junction view on my HUD.

PurpleTT · 03-15-2015, 03:53 AM

Out of Interest what improvements are there on the i-drive specifically please?

Due to take mine in for a service in a couple of weeks and makes sense to ask for mine to be updated.

ukbeemerboy · 03-15-2015, 04:01 AM

If the BMW's are anything like Audi's, when they are connected at the dealership they connect back to Germany. The car modules are checked against original build specs. If any of those modules have changed or different, even by an innocent thing like fitting an aftermarket towbar, the module concerened gets locked. The coding then has to be entered manually to take into account of any changes.

This is the danger of coding cars yourself.

sahajesh · 03-15-2015, 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by PurpleTT

Out of Interest what improvements are there on the i-drive specifically please?

Due to take mine in for a service in a couple of weeks and makes sense to ask for mine to be updated.

When you push the controller in map mode, you get options like stop guidance, repeat spoken directions, status on/off. Connected Drive services are renamed and more CD apps like being able to text/email car location. Not been through all menus yet but seems a bit snappier in general.

Main reason for me was to allow me to update the media system software to allow BT streaming to show album art and track time progress.

sahajesh · 03-15-2015, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ukbeemerboy

If the BMW's are anything like Audi's, when they are connected at the dealership they connect back to Germany. The car modules are checked against original build specs. If any of those modules have changed or different, even by an innocent thing like fitting an aftermarket towbar, the module concerened gets locked. The coding then has to be entered manually to take into account of any changes.

This is the danger of coding cars yourself.

I hadn't lost coding when I took the car in for a service, just when I asked them to upgrade. The upgrade removed/hides the data you need to code - @shawnsheridan in the coding forum here said that the car can't be coded and that BMW are doing this more now - quite possibly new build cars will be this way by default so it makes sense to buy stuff like EBT rather than hoping to code and finding you can't use functions for the length of your lease/ownership etc.

....,,,,..,,.. · 03-15-2015, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ukbeemerboy

If the BMW's are anything like Audi's, when they are connected at the dealership they connect back to Germany. The car modules are checked against original build specs. If any of those modules have changed or different, even by an innocent thing like fitting an aftermarket towbar, the module concerened gets locked. The coding then has to be entered manually to take into account of any changes.

This is the danger of coding cars yourself.

+1

As with most helpful features to ensure our cars are ok, it likely carries out a baseline check of the cars config and build.

Also a good way to clamp down on too many 3rd party stuff.

teaston · 03-15-2015, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by sahajesh

I hadn't lost coding when I took the car in for a service, just when I asked them to upgrade. The upgrade removed/hides the data you need to code - @shawnsheridan in the coding forum here said that the car can't be coded and that BMW are doing this more now - quite possibly new build cars will be this way by default so it makes sense to buy stuff like EBT rather than hoping to code and finding you can't use functions for the length of your lease/ownership etc.

Is shawn certain that you won't be able to code your car?

Is it not just a case of waiting for the correct version of psdzdata to be available?

JonD · 03-15-2015, 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by teaston

Is shawn certain that you won't be able to code your car?

Is it not just a case of waiting for the correct version of psdzdata to be available?

For now it's not looking good,

Steve_M_Sport · 03-15-2015, 04:51 AM

Certainly looks like it will be uncodeable due to trimming of CAFD files

http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1101235

JonD · 03-15-2015, 04:57 AM

There has been some success coding cars with pzdata 55 over on bmw_coding apparently.

teaston · 03-15-2015, 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve_M_Sport

Certainly looks like it will be uncodeable due to trimming of CAFD files

http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1101235

Oh poo! That is very depressing news!

teaston · 03-15-2015, 05:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sahajesh

Had my car coded for a few minor things, however after a software update (which I asked the dealer to do), I now have an uncodeable car.

No loss as I didn't have anything major that had been lost, but for all those people who decide not to buy EBT and plan to code, be warned you may lose it for ever!

A helpful dealer may do an upgrade without telling you, for example and think it's a nice thing to do.

Motto is to always buy options like EBT as you may lose it in the future!

On the plus side, iDrive is a lot better now after the upgrade and BT streaming works better too - I'm happier post-upgrade, although I would like junction view on my HUD.

I don't think this will affect coding EBT, as it is done by VO coding, not FDL coding.

nordberg · 03-15-2015, 05:33 AM

Hmmm

Depressing as I've just recently made my cable! I want to code video in motion and a couple of other things. I presume it won't be much different from me coding EBT which I managed..?

Buttons · 03-15-2015, 05:37 AM

Had mine upgraded the other week and now I can't upload music to HD - I no longer have an 'import' option

With this in mind, I'm hoping there's an update to the update coming soon!!

teaston · 03-15-2015, 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by nordberg

Hmmm

Depressing as I've just recently made my cable! I want to code video in motion and a couple of other things. I presume it won't be much different from me coding EBT which I managed..?

Have you had the car updated by the dealer recently then?

nordberg · 03-15-2015, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Buttons

Had mine upgraded the other week and now I can't upload music to HD - I no longer have an 'import' option

With this in mind, I'm hoping there's an update to the update coming soon!!

Clearly that's a bug. I'd be asking them to revert to the old version as you're losing stock functionality there...

nordberg · 03-15-2015, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by teaston

Have you had the car updated by the dealer recently then?

No, but service is coming up fairly soon.

sahajesh · 03-15-2015, 05:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buttons

Had mine upgraded the other week and now I can't upload music to HD - I no longer have an 'import' option

With this in mind, I'm hoping there's an update to the update coming soon!!

I'll check mine for the HD import option - mind you do you need a CD/USB stick in the car to see the option, as I always use my iPhone.

teaston · 03-15-2015, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by nordberg

No, but service is coming up fairly soon.

They don't touch the software in a service. You currently have & will have no problems with coding.

Steve_M_Sport · 03-15-2015, 06:40 AM

As I understand it a software upgrade is usually done overnight at the dealership so is not done when a routine service is carried out.

sahajesh · 03-15-2015, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve_M_Sport

As I understand it a software upgrade is usually done overnight at the dealership so is not done when a routine service is carried out.

Mine wasn't upgraded until I specifically asked for it, so perhaps they won't do it automatically.

Buttons · 03-15-2015, 07:02 AM

Mine was only in having rear lights changed (condensation) so can't see why they had reason to connected anyway.....
No drama, I've got nothing to hide but does seem odd.

Does anyone know what the upgrade is actually for?
I've noticed the new menu giving you option to stop guidance, repeat instructions ect but nothing else.

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sahajesh Brigadier General 2294 Rep 4,451 Posts Drives: 2021 G05 X5 40i Tanzanite Blue Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Sheffield, UK iTrader: (0)	Beware of software upgrades Had my car coded for a few minor things, however after a software update (which I asked the dealer to do), I now have an uncodeable car. No loss as I didn't have anything major that had been lost, but for all those people who decide not to buy EBT and plan to code, be warned you may lose it for ever! A helpful dealer may do an upgrade without telling you, for example and think it's a nice thing to do. Motto is to always buy options like EBT as you may lose it in the future! On the plus side, iDrive is a lot better now after the upgrade and BT streaming works better too - I'm happier post-upgrade, although I would like junction view on my HUD.
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PurpleTT Major 371 Rep 1,216 Posts Drives: 335d F30 MSport Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: South East iTrader: (0)	Out of Interest what improvements are there on the i-drive specifically please? Due to take mine in for a service in a couple of weeks and makes sense to ask for mine to be updated. __________________ M3 Azurite Black now instead of the 335d. Roughly the same really.
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Buttons Lieutenant 76 Rep 502 Posts Drives: F31 330d Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Stroud, UK iTrader: (0)	Had mine upgraded the other week and now I can't upload music to HD - I no longer have an 'import' option With this in mind, I'm hoping there's an update to the update coming soon!!
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Buttons Lieutenant 76 Rep 502 Posts Drives: F31 330d Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Stroud, UK iTrader: (0)	Mine was only in having rear lights changed (condensation) so can't see why they had reason to connected anyway..... No drama, I've got nothing to hide but does seem odd. Does anyone know what the upgrade is actually for? I've noticed the new menu giving you option to stop guidance, repeat instructions ect but nothing else.
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