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01-17-2006, 11:55 AM | #1 |
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Lowering: Requires camber kit or not?
I'm assuming that the suspension geometry of the e90 gives the vehicle more negative camber when lowered (springs alone or coilovers). Can the camber simply be readjusted within stock parameters or does an aftermarket camber kit need to be added?
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01-17-2006, 12:00 PM | #2 |
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I think the e90 has adjustments for camber, but I'm not sure. I don't think camber adjustment is needed for a minimal drop, but couldn't hurt !
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01-18-2006, 08:54 AM | #3 |
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camber kits don't necessarily give back positive camber, they often use the centerline of the stock settings as their starting point. before you purchase, ask if the kit in question gives back positive camber
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01-22-2006, 04:07 PM | #4 | |
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A professional alignment shop could fix this problem right?
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02-12-2006, 07:15 PM | #5 |
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Any camber solutions out there yet?
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02-12-2006, 10:26 PM | #6 |
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I was talking to Mava and he has the H&R race 2" drop on his car, and was able to have the camber adjusted adequetly.
I've decided not to drop my car for two main reasons. Although I love the look, I occasionally will scrape the curb ahead of me when parking. It won't get any better when lowered. When parked parallel to a curb, I don't need to worry as much about passengers opening the doors into the cement. |
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03-09-2006, 11:57 PM | #8 |
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I've been driving like the car is lowered out of habit even though I'm still looking at my springs(living room) and still waiting for shocks. There is one driveway that I used to scrape all the time, but since I have started drivng the e90, I don't. I know I will scrape again once the car is lowered unless I cut the entry/exit at 45 degrees. I also back in alot to avoid hitting the front against the parking stops.
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03-10-2006, 12:28 AM | #9 |
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Just thought I'd add that I believe Dinan has camber plates for the E90 They're set to add negative camber. They seem expensive though, but I've never bought camber plates before so I guess I wouldn't know.
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03-10-2006, 06:30 AM | #10 |
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I had camber plates installed on my 260Z. They were welded onto the tops of my strut towers and were easy to adjust in either direction.
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03-10-2006, 11:07 AM | #11 |
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my advice is to lower it first, and then get an alignment. from that point, see if you need a camber kit. if you doing mild lowering, with h&r sport or eibach pro-kit, i'm thinking you'll most likely not need a camber kit. this is my experience from my past bmw.
honda's on the other hand are a different story. i'm also used to driving a lowered car. even though my e90 is not lowered yet, i still drive it like it is.
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Myself too, coming from lowered vehicles.. I drive my E90 as if it was slammed. Going extremely slow over bumps, trying to avoid every little dips/potholes on the highway, slowing down when going up/down the steep road, etc etc, all this which is unnecessary with current ZSP suspsnion. Pathetic human beings. They can't adjust to changes fast enough.
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03-13-2006, 12:27 PM | #13 |
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hahaha. it's all in good practice. i'm planning on lowering the e90 anyways. remember to go into those driveways at an angle.
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03-13-2006, 01:38 PM | #14 | |
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I'v had cars that I ran 2-3 degrees of camber on and had NO adverse tire wear on a car with properly set toe. I had a civic with a toe out issue and burned through a set of tires in about 7000 miles. |
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03-26-2006, 10:44 AM | #15 |
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So can anyone answer whether or not cambers are required if you drop your car? There are so many people saying they lowered their cars but no mention of camber adjustments. I spoke with a BMW rep and he was not sure if the E90 came with adjustable cambers. I have had problems in the past with bad tire wear and don't want to make that same mistake. Has anyone actually worried about cambers or did they all just lower the car and pray for no premature tire wear. You would think this was the first time anyone lowered their cars or this would be answered already!
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03-26-2006, 12:08 PM | #17 |
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For Sport type springs with a minimal drop, camber kits are not required. For more agressive drops, they might be needed. Here are my specs after my alignment with H&R Sport Springs and Koni Shocks (if I had the race springs, I would've needed a camber kit):
Front Left: Camber: -0.3" Caster: 7.2" Toe: 0.11" SAI: 14.3 Included Angle: 14.0" Front Right: Camber: -0.7" Caster: 7.2" Toe: 0.11" SAI: 14.4 Included Angle: 13.7" Front: Cross Camber: 0.4" Cross Caster: 0.00" Cross SAI: -0.1 Degree Totall Toe: 0.22" Rear Left: Camber: -1.5" Toe: 0.17" Rear Right: Camber: -1.6" Toe: 0.17" Rear: Cross Camber: 0.1" Total Toe: 0.34" Thrust Angle: 0.00 The only thing that is not within factory specs is my front right camber, it's off by 0.1" from factory range which is 0.0 to -0.6. Danny
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So does anyone know if the non sport has the same type suspension in regards to zsp? I would think zsp has some upgrades but would that also include adjustable dampers or cambers? Lastly, has any non sport owners lowered their cars and only had alignment done to correct the problem ?
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Good stuff, i'll look out for that next time
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