[e46m3lol]

Moderators please take down thread!

For personal reasons I will be starting a new thread as the tear down continues.

Thanks for understanding.

[alz0rz]

Per your mods you were also running a turbo upgrade? But still only on Map 1?

[e46m3lol]

Originally Posted by alz0rz

Per your mods you were also running a turbo upgrade? But still only on Map 1?

Yes I run map 1 for my daily setup plus here in Cali we only get 91 octane out of the pump.

[xtlwulf]

oh damn sorry to hear
good luck with the fix!

[mike@x-ph.com]

Sorry to hear that OP

[alz0rz]

Originally Posted by e46m3lol

Yes I run map 1 for my daily setup plus here in Cali we only get 91 octane out of the pump.

So essentially you blew your motor running JB4 Map 1? Or are you in fact running a bigger turbo and more modified setup?

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by alz0rz

So essentially you blew your motor running JB4 Map 1? Or are you in fact running a bigger turbo and more modified setup?

He does have bigger turbos but running map 1 boost for daily driving.
Lets first wait to see what caused the motor failure before pointing fingers. Remember that sometimes engines fail when car is completely stock

[2msport]

He's got his modifications at the bottom of his posts.

Damn.. sorry to hear it man. keep us posted

[alz0rz]

Originally Posted by 2msport

He's got his modifications at the bottom of his posts.

Damn.. sorry to hear it man. keep us posted

Yep, I saw that I am just trying to clarify what all his setup was when it went boom...

Definitely keep us posted.

[VMRWheels]

Sorry to hear! Best of luck to you moving forward

[swagon]

Well, with that amount of modifications done to your engine, I'm not surprised.

Sorry to hear that, though. Good luck.

[e46m3lol]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

He does have bigger turbos but running map 1 boost for daily driving.
Lets first wait to see what caused the motor failure before pointing fingers. Remember that sometimes engines fail when car is completely stock

Yeah I am not pointing fingers at anyone. I just wanted to write up a thread so if others run into a scenario like mine they'll know what to expect.

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by e46m3lol

Yeah I am not pointing fingers at anyone. I just wanted to write up a thread so if others run into a scenario like mine they'll know what to expect.

I know . I was not referring to your post.

[e46m3lol]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

I know . I was not referring to your post.

Ahh got it... My bad I read it wrong

[alz0rz]

None of that tells us they 'detected' a tune.. all of those remarks are VISUAL.

[e46m3lol]

Originally Posted by alz0rz

None of that tells us they 'detected' a tune.. all of those remarks are VISUAL.

Charlie@McKennaBMWService can explain more in detail how that process works but long story short... the ECUs in our cars save EVERYTHING which makes every parameter traceable.

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by e46m3lol

Charlie@McKennaBMWService can explain more in detail how that process works but long story short... the ECUs in our cars save EVERYTHING which makes every parameter traceable.

It says aftermarket downpipe and turbo caused more boost, does not say anything about the tune. If anything this proves that even in the worst case scenario the JB4 is undetectable.
Waiting for the explanation though.

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by Charlie@McKennaBMWService

Well at this point it is definitely safe to assume that it's going to be a combination of things... Running a series of different types of fuel that the vehicle was not engineered for might be one, the fact that the DME had "advancements" from supposed data logging/email tuning could be another. Obviously when remapping the vehicles management system to inevitably create more performance or in other words "wear and tear." In doing so the engine will outcome in some expedited unforeseen results, whether it may be good or bad... Unfortunately in the OP's case that may be the case at the end of the day, just a combination of modifications or enhancements if you will and improper use of fuel or quite possibly just bad "tuning."

Thank you for the clarification but you are addressing the cause of the failure which is another debate on its own and will be impossible to know based on all the mods on the car.
OP said that dealership detected the Jb4 but the report does not mention this.
The car has a bad engine, the JB4 was removed. From the report it sounds that the dealership could not detect the JB4 has ever been installed on this car. Is this correct?

[alz0rz]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

Thank you for the clarification but you are addressing the cause of the failure which is another debate on its own and will be impossible to know based on all the mods on the car.
OP said that dealership detected the Jb4 but the report does not mention this.
The car has a bad engine, the JB4 was removed. From the report it sounds that the dealership could not detect the JB4 has ever been installed on this car. Is this correct?

Realize you are talking TO the dealership.. haha.

edit: nm my previous N55 comment, OP has an N20.. I was glossing over the fact the OP billed his car as an M235i 'killer' which means he was pushing the 228i/N20 wayyy past it's rater power. HOWEVER, OP also says it happened while running Map 1? On an aftermarket turbo... there you go, again that just points to tuning issues/user mistake.

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by alz0rz

Realize you are talking TO the dealership.. haha.

I do.
But the dealership does not mention anything about a tune in its report.

[alz0rz]

Originally Posted by Charlie@McKennaBMWService

Based on the FASTA data, it clearly shows and indicates "vehicle tampering" was one of the main suspects, as stated previously, nothing is undetectable... BMW's engineers that are highly trained and highly paid wouldn't let minor details slide so that enthusiasts can alter their design and/or creation if you will. Whether the JB4 was on at the time or removed before brought in, the blackbox/module logs everything down to date and time, mileage, driving speeds, engine temperatures, whether or not if the vehicle exceeded governed speed limits, or even over boosted for that matter. Nothing is undetectable if a more detailed search or diagnosis was needed from the TSE.

Whether people alter their 'design or creation' is not the point. It's whether the warranty will pay for it. You pay $50K for a car or $10K for a car, it is yours and you should be able to do as you please with it.

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by Charlie@McKennaBMWService

Based on the FASTA data, it clearly shows and indicates "vehicle tampering" was one of the main suspects, as stated previously, nothing is undetectable... BMW's engineers that are highly trained and highly paid wouldn't let minor details slide so that enthusiasts can alter their design and/or creation if you will. Whether the JB4 was on at the time or removed before brought in, the blackbox/module logs everything down to date and time, mileage, driving speeds, engine temperatures, whether or not if the vehicle exceeded governed speed limits, or even over boosted for that matter. Nothing is undetectable if a more detailed search or diagnosis was needed from the TSE.

This is not going to get anywhere. You keep saying it is detectable i keep saying then why didnt the report mention the piggyback? they mentioned the turbo and downpipes because they could see them. JB4 fools the ECU into thinking that boost is normal, so all the data stored will have normal boost values.
At the end of the day, this is very unfortunate to OP. Sorry to hear that and i wish you better luck in the future.