[AdamW]

So after being in my F30 Msport for a while, ive opted out early and just put a deposit on a new M4 convertible.

Test drove a load of different cars (997, GTR, C63) and just kept coming back to the M4 vert. Love everything about it and i got a fantastic deal on a great car with a brilliant spec.

Spec is

New from Barons ,Farnborough
DCT box
Mineral Grey with Silverstone Leather
Carbon dash finish
19" Black alloys
Convertible comfort pack (deflector, heated steering wheel, neck scarf)
Comfort Access
Harmon Kardon
Sliding arm rest, Extended storage, Through load (yawn)
HUD with speed limit display
Reverse Camera
Adaptive headlights (non LED) with high beam assist
M performance black grilles

5 year servicing , A glaze thrown in FOC

Got an amazing deal, was in fact cheaper new than a 6month old one with 2000miles on the clock. Also got a MUCH better finance rate so all good

On the total upside i thought it would be a post september pick up, but they had a build slot so ill get it in july!!!

[simon.]

Lovely spec & a great car. Not look to wait either

Did you get spanked on the early termination btw & what finance rate are they doing as I thought the M's were 6.9% min?

[Tengocity]

Nice! Very envious!

[leon1984]

lovely upgrade!! Quite fancying an M3 myself

[AdamW]

Did you get spanked on the early termination btw & what finance rate are they doing as I thought the M's were 6.9% min?

Early termination on my PCH wasn't "too" bad...around £1800, i can live with that. Barons gave me alot of stuff and i got a great deal so i feel the 1.8K was just lost inside that.

I got a rate of 4.9% APR, nearly new car was 8.9% !

[AdamW]

Originally Posted by leon1984

lovely upgrade!! Quite fancying an M3 myself

Do it! I wasnt planning on getting rid of my 320D Msport (63 plate) for another year, but drove a couple of M4's and an M3 and feel in love. Man mathed my way through the numbers and ignored all the sensible things i should do with the money haha

Crazy thing is, the insurance is only £6pm more than my 320D..go figure!?

[AdamW]

Originally Posted by Tengocity

Nice! Very envious!

Its been 18months of listening to all you guys talk about your fast 335D's that tipped me over the edge!!
Should never have got the 320D in reality. I doubt id have change if i got a 330D or above.

[leon1984]

Originally Posted by AdamW

Do it! I wasnt planning on getting rid of my 320D Msport (63 plate) for another year, but drove a couple of M4's and an M3 and feel in love. Man mathed my way through the numbers and ignored all the sensible things i should do with the money haha

Crazy thing is, the insurance is only £6pm more than my 320D..go figure!?

Got a 2yr lease on a 335d starting in August. So am planning for after this, when the house is bought!

Spec and colour sounds lovely

[DaveA]

Originally Posted by AdamW

So after being in my F30 Msport for a while, ive opted out early and just put a deposit on a new M4 convertible.

Test drove a load of different cars (997, GTR, C63) and just kept coming back to the M4 vert. Love everything about it and i got a fantastic deal on a great car with a brilliant spec.

Congratulations...

Out of interest, did you look at the 991 Porsche, or just the 997..?

I'd be interested to read your thoughts as to how you thought the Porsche stacked up against the BMW...

[Tengocity]

Originally Posted by AdamW

Its been 18months of listening to all you guys talk about your fast 335D's that tipped me over the edge!!
Should never have got the 320D in reality. I doubt id have change if i got a 330D or above.

That's some upgrade!

Fast as my 335d is, I'd swap it in a heartbeat for an M car if my annual mileage and business needs allowed for it.

[AdamW]

991 Porsche, or just the 997

Just the 997. I gave myself a 60K (ish) budget and ideally wanted convertible. After some test drives i decided upon the Carrera GTS . For that price you get a 4 year old one with minimal miles (around 15K) with a nice spec that you would want.
My problem I think is that, whilst my wife has a nice family car, there may be a chance I have to have the kids in the car every now and then. I just found the Porker a little too much to live with on an every day basis.

I also think id prefer a GTS 4 or a turbo S. So, went for a brand new M4 at the same price, and will do the Porsche thing properly in 3/4 years time.

I just kept coming back to the M4, so easy to live with on a day to day basis and the overall package on a brand new car i guess. Also, ALL the running costs are much cheaper on the M4 as youd expect.

[DaveA]

Originally Posted by AdamW

Just the 997. I gave myself a 60K (ish) budget and ideally wanted convertible. After some test drives i decided upon the Carrera GTS . For that price you get a 4 year old one with minimal miles (around 15K) with a nice spec that you would want.

Originally Posted by AdamW

I also think id prefer a GTS 4 or a turbo S. So, went for a brand new M4 at the same price, and will do the Porsche thing properly in 3/4 years time.

I have to laugh at Porsche residuals, to be honest. They just seem to be on the up all the time these days...

I cannot believe that people pay so much for them now second hand when, for not much more, you can have a new one with the 3 year warranty etc etc. Especially if you are after a sports car.. The trucks and saloons are the ones with the long waits... You can get the sports cars... (OK, maybe not a GT3 or something, because you'll need to get on the list, but the standard production cars are no problem..)...

When you think, that 4 year old GTS for £60k wouldn't have cost you all that much more when new...

Thing is, it's not great value now at £60k... It's just a reflection of the way the brand residuals are drifting...

I blame it on cars like the GT3 and the silly money that folk will pay to get them s/h... I paid £95k for my GT3 as specified, I sold it for £75 in 2012 with 18k miles on it (yes, I was the nutter who used one rain/snow/shine, 24/7..)... Then, that was a pretty good deal... The £20k depreciation on it compared to more like £50/55k depreciation a Turbo S would have suffered in the same time frame back then...

But now, for that same GT3, you'd be looking at £100/110k+, as the values on them heads ever further north... (RS's are nearer £200k now..)...

This halo seems to shine on the standard models, now... Cars that would not really have held value much better than any other premium brand.. but now do, seemingly... Which does seem a little silly to me... That £60k GTS... you certainly wouldn't have needed anything close to that to buy it 2 or 3 years ago... and I don't think it's worth any more now than it was then... other than the supply and demand factor.. and who's to say where the market will go in the coming years...

Oh well...

Anyway, sorry for drifting off topic.. I was just wondering what you'd been looking at Porsche-wise and what you thought...

[leon1984]

As someone who continually checks 911 prices, an odd thing seems to have happened with them as you say. From what I can work out;

991 hasn't sold well, so the used market was very slow and thus prices were high and not really falling.

997 and previous (excluding the 996) have all shot up in value as seen as the better more analogue car. I also think that new car values for performance models have gone so high that a lot of people can now get a good used 911 for similar money. Bigger market = higher pricing.

991 prices are now reducing used, which is whats of interest to me and why I check.

Originally Posted by DaveA

I have to laugh at Porsche residuals, to be honest. They just seem to be on the up all the time these days...

I cannot believe that people pay so much for them now second hand when, for not much more, you can have a new one with the 3 year warranty etc etc. Especially if you are after a sports car.. The trucks and saloons are the ones with the long waits... You can get the sports cars... (OK, maybe not a GT3 or something, because you'll need to get on the list, but the standard production cars are no problem..)...

When you think, that 4 year old GTS for £60k wouldn't have cost you all that much more when new...

Thing is, it's not great value now at £60k... It's just a reflection of the way the brand residuals are drifting...

I blame it on cars like the GT3 and the silly money that folk will pay to get them s/h... I paid £95k for my GT3 as specified, I sold it for £75 in 2012 with 18k miles on it (yes, I was the nutter who used one rain/snow/shine, 24/7..)... Then, that was a pretty good deal... The £20k depreciation on it compared to more like £50/55k depreciation a Turbo S would have suffered in the same time frame back then...

But now, for that same GT3, you'd be looking at £100/110k+, as the values on them heads ever further north... (RS's are nearer £200k now..)...

This halo seems to shine on the standard models, now... Cars that would not really have held value much better than any other premium brand.. but now do, seemingly... Which does seem a little silly to me... That £60k GTS... you certainly wouldn't have needed anything close to that to buy it 2 or 3 years ago... and I don't think it's worth any more now than it was then... other than the supply and demand factor.. and who's to say where the market will go in the coming years...

Oh well...

Anyway, sorry for drifting off topic.. I was just wondering what you'd been looking at Porsche-wise and what you thought...