[erichighley]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3YFTFLmcfk

Pretty glowing review from the guys at MT. Interested to see what Jaguar has put together once the XE S hits showrooms.

[joz]

Good review, thanks for posting. Jag has really been elevating their game. The f-type has gotten good reviews and the XE looks to carry that forward.

i'll probably consider it when the lease is up. At a minimum i'll go give it a test drive.

[KGB_123_99]

BMW has their work cut out for them when it comes to the next 3 series.

[AudiA4]

This guy from MT really knows his stuff. He's confirmed what many others have said: the Jag is the new benchmark in this segment.

Since I'm in the market, I'm very disappointed that Jaguar delayed the NA rollout until next year simply due to AWD availability.

p.s. The reviews remind me of the CTS V-Sport vs. the 5 and A6 (which is to say consensus class-leading).

[Portimao Blues]

Originally Posted by KGB_123_99

BMW has their work cut out for them when it comes to the next 3 series.

^+1 This is a wake-up call for BMW for the next generation 3-Series!

[spuntyb]

Originally Posted by AudiA4

This guy from MT really knows his stuff. He's confirmed what many others have said: the Jag is the new benchmark in this segment.

Since I'm in the market, I'm very disappointed that Jaguar delayed the NA rollout until next year simply due to AWD availability.

p.s. The reviews remind me of the CTS V-Sport vs. the 5 and A6 (which is to say consensus class-leading).

Agree that the XE-S is pretty much eating BMW's cake. Will be interesting to see how the new Alfa compares to both. If I were looking for a sedan, I wouldn't hesitate to jump ship to Jag-LR for this beast. Too bad they won't make a wagon.

[tturedraider]

As I said when he posted the print version -

Originally Posted by tturedraider

So, Lieberman decided he should test a car that won't be here after July against a car that won't be here until next year. This guy is just idiotic. His main purpose is to promulgate his weird disdain for virtually all things BMW.

[DrivenByE30]

Confidence ! "This car is so good"

.... and then comes the XE-S who is putting the 3 to shame ...


OMG !

bravo Jag !

BMW is gonna have to wake up from its Laurels...
... unless it already has... let's see what the M340i has to offer to the C, the new A4, the Caddy and the IS

With the new Alfa coming too... there is gonna be a fierce fight !

[rolltidef32]

Well, I am impressed by what Jaguar has been producing lately. This car does make a compelling argument if you don't wish to go German, don't wish to buy 2nd tier like Caddy or Infiniti, and feel brave in purchasing a British car; brave move.

I do like the suspension set up and the use of aluminum. If this car is somehow less than 3600lbs, that will say a lot.

Would've liked to have seen this head 2 head against the LCI M Sport, but it's ok as it stands.

Don't worry guys, BMW is still the benchmark and will remain so. Certainly the sales will keep the 3 series at the top since it appeals both to sporty men and women alike.

Will go on record to say the the Alfa will likely be best of all, and nothing says sexy like an Italian Ferrari blessed engine.

[300hp]

Originally Posted by rolltidef32

Well, I am impressed by what Jaguar has been producing lately. This car does make a compelling argument if you don't wish to go German, don't wish to buy 2nd tier like Caddy or Infiniti, and feel brave in purchasing a British car; brave move.

I do like the suspension set up and the use of aluminum. If this car is somehow less than 3600lbs, that will say a lot.

Would've liked to have seen this head 2 head against the LCI M Sport, but it's ok as it stands.

Don't worry guys, BMW is still the benchmark and will remain so. Certainly the sales will keep the 3 series at the top since it appeals both to sporty men and women alike.

Will go on record to say the the Alfa will likely be best of all, and nothing says sexy like an Italian Ferrari blessed engine.

+1 on the Alfa, if one needs to get their tits hard that's the one to get excited over

The Jag weighs +3700lbs

[AudiA4]

Originally Posted by 300hp

+1 on the Alfa, if one needs to get their tits hard that's the one to get excited over

The Jag weighs +3700lbs

The Alfa...is that the one that leaked/debuted today? What a scary face...quite the ugly duckling.

[Vegetable]

Originally Posted by spuntyb

Agree that the XE-S is pretty much eating BMW's cake. Will be interesting to see how the new Alfa compares to both. If I were looking for a sedan, I wouldn't hesitate to jump ship to Jag-LR for this beast. Too bad they won't make a wagon.

I think the reviewer is the one eating the cake... or so it seems.

[MickAv8r]

The Jag interior looks nice but then that is something that needs to be felt to be seen. As far as handling goes - meh next time compare apples to apples. The BMW didnt have DHP so its suspension is in one size fits all mode. Jag was programmable.

Need to compare with the LCI changes, but BMW is going to be hammered somewhat by the haters until the G series comes out.

With all these comparos though I keep coming back to the aftermarket. Out of the box yeah the Jag might be impressive. Throw a tune, some new springs and shocks etc I dont think the BMW is gonna sweat much kicking its ass around the track.

[....,,,,..,,..]

Originally Posted by MickAv8r

The Jag interior looks nice but then that is something that needs to be felt to be seen. As far as handling goes - meh next time compare apples to apples. The BMW didnt have DHP so its suspension is in one size fits all mode. Jag was programmable.

Need to compare with the LCI changes, but BMW is going to be hammered somewhat by the haters until the G series comes out.

With all these comparos though I keep coming back to the aftermarket. Out of the box yeah the Jag might be impressive. Throw a tune, some new springs and shocks etc I dont think the BMW is gonna sweat much kicking its ass around the track.

The Jag pretty much kick the 335i in the balls.
The LCI update, as has been mentioned to death on here, does not really bring anything new.

The DHP would narrow things a little, however on a technical aspect the jaguar comes out better due to the nature of its new set up.

The Jaguar is not a track car and I very much anyone at Jaguar expects it to be.

Although, as it's the F Type engine, it can be upgraded for more power.....

Btw don't think anyone is a 'Hater' (bit of a Playstaion Fan boy comment) without decent competition manufacturers get lazy, tech evolution slows down etc.

The better the competition the more BMW have to up their game.

The winner will be the customer.

As for competition, it looks like the states will be getting the Audi RS4 in saloon format....

[buckybadger]

Whatever...

Bimmers have stood the test of time.. I wouldn't worry too much. Plus, there's a lot of exaggeration in the Market these days and can't believe any hype.

First of all, the comparison is not really fair. He's comparing a BRAND new Jag to a 3 years+ old BMW 335i and finally Jag pulled out something that is decent. Plus, this review is very personal. The more balanced car will win on the track and BMWs generally are known to beat competition even with less power. Take a look at this review (the less powerful BMW beats the Mercedez):

Gotta respect Bimmers for defining and innovating the sports sedan segment... Gotta give them credit for that! Jag is trying but keep in mind that they are learning/copying from BMWs that are already out there for a few years.

[M-terkait]

F30 still looks much sportier than the average luxury sedan XE. i don't see any difference than other jaguars in style.

[spuntyb]

Originally Posted by tturedraider

As I said when he posted the print version -

I think his review was fair. He has high praise for the F30, but says it gets nicked for steering, maybe some gear changes, and he isn't blown away by the suspension/handling, which would have benefitted from an m adaptive suspension. It seems like his overall point is that he's comparing the incoming contender to the outgoing champ and that to stay on top, BMW needs to continue doing what they're doing with the LCI, or even the next gen G series. Maybe I read into it too much, but he seems to love the F30 and only wants it to get better, with the new Alfa and Jag sedans showing what can be done.

[Billfitz]

Originally Posted by erichighley

Pretty glowing review from the guys at MT. Interested to see what Jaguar has put together once the XE S hits showrooms.

It will be even more interesting to see the reviews by owners after they've had them for three years. Reviewers love Range Rover and Jeep too, but not as much as those who make a very good living repairing them.

[rolltidef32]

Originally Posted by Brigand

The Jag pretty much kick the 335i in the balls.
The LCI update, as has been mentioned to death on here, does not really bring anything new.

The DHP would narrow things a little, however on a technical aspect the jaguar comes out better due to the nature of its new set up.

The Jaguar is not a track car and I very much anyone at Jaguar expects it to be.

Although, as it's the F Type engine, it can be upgraded for more power.....

Btw don't think anyone is a 'Hater' (bit of a Playstaion Fan boy comment) without decent competition manufacturers get lazy, tech evolution slows down etc.

The better the competition the more BMW have to up their game.

The winner will be the customer.

As for competition, it looks like the states will be getting the Audi RS4 in saloon format....

Indeed the competition has BMW on defense and we will benefit from this new sport sedan war.

Cars like this and the ATS, along with us enthusiasts bitching of course, is the reason for the dump of the base line, the LCI moving back to sport, the change in CEO, and the Gxx return to performance roots and away from the "lets give a Lexus option to the ladies. This is something I always felt was condescending to the female driver anyway. My wife loves putting her foot down in my car and even drives her X3 like a true Bimmer.

A kick in the teeth gets your attention alright....

[Ali Shiralian]

And how reliable are Jags?!?!

[RoundelM3]

So what's really new here? Car companies have been competitive since day 1 - that's marketing 101. I've said it before and I'll say it again - if you have to rely on magazine articles to tell you which car to buy - or if you just have to own whatever is supposed to be "the best" at any given moment, then you should just ride public transportation. Go out and drive one yourself and be your own judge. Remember - opinions are like navels; everyone has one.

[rolltidef32]

Originally Posted by roundel335

So what's really new here? Car companies have been competitive since day 1 - that's marketing 101. I've said it before and I'll say it again - if you have to rely on magazine articles to tell you which car to buy - or if you just have to own whatever is supposed to be "the best" at any given moment, then you should just ride public transportation. Go out and drive one yourself and be your own judge. Remember - opinions are like navels; everyone has one.

Your statements are true, but not sure that's the exercise we're engaged in here.

Think we're just doing what enthusiasts do and that's measuring swords. All of these cars are meant to appeal to the ego. Otherwise we'd all drive a Camry.

Most of us are more the aggressive type, so it's natural to want the biggest or baddest.

You too feel this way to an extent, so we all want our car to "win". I just see this as a marathon, so the upstarts may be impressive, and yes, this will persuade some, but BMW is what it is for a reason and we've never produced something like that trash X Type.

And Jags are notoriously unreliable with low resale values.