[DarkstarZero]

Tested on a 2015 228i M-Sport ZTR (BMW's code for Track Package going forward)

Is there some trick to get Sport Mode (drivetrain and chassis) to be on at the same time as DSC off?

If I put it into Sport or Sport+, then hold DSC off, DSC turns off but the drivetrain and chassis goes into comfort mode.

If I turn DSC off and then put it up into Sport or Sport+, DSC turns on automatically.

I tested the above while going over a bumpy surface, I could tell when I turned DSC off the suspension went soft and the throttle went into comfort mode.

How can I have both the sport suspension and throttle while DSC is off? This is critical for driving on the track, which is the reason I got the ZTR package in the first place. This also explains that bad R&T review of the 2 series as all professional track drivers immediately turn DSC off when getting on the track. Which means they were driving in comfort mode and didn't know it.

[pikcachu]

Originally Posted by DarkstarZero

Tested on a 2015 228i M-Sport ZTR (BMW's code for Track Package going forward)

Is there some trick to get Sport Mode (drivetrain and chassis) to be on at the same time as DSC off?

If I put it into Sport or Sport+, then hold DSC off, DSC turns off but the drivetrain and chassis goes into comfort mode.

If I turn DSC off and then put it up into Sport or Sport+, DSC turns on automatically.

I tested the above while going over a bumpy surface, I could tell when I turned DSC off the suspension went soft and the throttle went into comfort mode.

How can I have both the sport suspension and throttle while DSC is off? This is critical for driving on the track, which is the reason I got the ZTR package in the first place. This also explains that bad R&T review of the 2 series as all professional track drivers immediately turn DSC off when getting on the track. Which means they were driving in comfort mode and didn't know it.

DSC OFF it's a mode on itself like "Sport" or "Comfort"

DSC OFF is: throttle in comfort - suspension in sport - louder exhaust (ASD on)

[ocN55]

Check this out

[Ramos]

This has been beaten to death already.
DSC off is its own mode with the correct setup for track which includes a lazier throttle for more accurate throttle feathering.

Don't know what you're talking about with the RT drivers, these magazine writers are mostly clowns anyway.

Edit: the suspension definitely does not go soft. I can guarantee you that.

[Pray for Mojo]

DCS off is the best mode of all, I never use sport or sport + anymore.

[Zooks527]

Originally Posted by ocN55

Check this out

You can. And you'll find it to be wrong.

[ocN55]

Originally Posted by Zooks527

You can. And you'll find it to be wrong.

How do you figure? This should be from the manufacturer.

I don't have the 8spd so I can't comment on the shift characteristics but everything else looks and feels right to me.

[Zooks527]

Originally Posted by ocN55

How do you figure? This should be from the manufacturer.

I don't have the 8spd so I can't comment on the shift characteristics but everything else looks and feels right to me.

Well, I'm not sure who it's from (I thought it was from a magazine, but what do I know), but it's for a 2104 335, not for a 2-series.

At a quick glance, the "Hold redline" and "Avoid kickdown" are wrong for an M235i, Auto start/stop hold settings are wrong, shift timing does not look right, the eLSD is column is certainly wrong for an xDrive and likely wrong on a RWD car, Launch Control doesn't look right, and the standard 2-series exhaust doesn't behave the same way as a 3-series M-Performance exhaust.

The chart's a hint, not a map.

[nike001]

Originally Posted by DarkstarZero

This also explains that bad R&T review of the 2 series as all professional track drivers immediately turn DSC off when getting on the track. Which means they were driving in comfort mode and didn't know it.

Randy Pobst is one of the few track drivers who knows what they're talking about and doesn't have any odd bias's while reviewing cars.

[BarryJI]

Originally Posted by Pray for Mojo

DCS off is the best mode of all, I never use sport or sport + anymore.

So, starting in Comfort mode, you hold the DCS button until you get a "DCS Off" indication and the car drives better, and sportier, than in Sport + mode? Perhaps this makes more of a difference in the 6MT because I have an 8AT 228i M Sport w/Dinan Stage 1 and I would definitely miss the much sharper throttle and suspension behavior and more aggressive gearing in Sport and Sport + compared with Comfort. In Comfort mode with DSC off, I can see the advantages on the track of no TC and less jumpy throttle response in corners but for street driving, is it worth being in Comfort mode vs. Sport or Sport + just for the sake of having no active or passive TC?

[Cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by Zooks527

Well, I'm not sure who it's from (I thought it was from a magazine, but what do I know), but it's for a 2104 335, not for a 2-series.

At a quick glance, the "Hold redline" and "Avoid kickdown" are wrong for an M235i, Auto start/stop hold settings are wrong, shift timing does not look right, the eLSD is column is certainly wrong for an xDrive and likely wrong on a RWD car, Launch Control doesn't look right, and the standard 2-series exhaust doesn't behave the same way as a 3-series M-Performance exhaust.

The chart's a hint, not a map.

The chart was written by an F30post member who pulled most of the information from one of the technical bulletins written for the F chassis.

While there may be small tweaks over the past 2 years, generally speaking the adaptive settings for the dampers, throttle, and transmission should remain the same, as should the eLSD. The exhaust mappings and active sound have been tweaked over time, I do know that much.

The damper settings however should be correct, it has been discussed previously that you lose "Sport" throttle mapping, but sport mapping is simply artificially increasing the aggressiveness of the throttle. This is generally ideal because the "Comfort" setting for throttle is linear which is preferred for modulation. In sport you get the "Artificial" feeling of speed because at 50% pedal travel you are well above 50% throttle. The car is not faster, your foot has just pretended to move farther.

The chart should be pretty accurate other than that because there were not a huge amount of technical differences between the F2x and F3x (when similarly equipped with the sport auto + adaptive dampers).

[DarkstarZero]

Well I haven't driven the 228 on the track yet so I couldn't really test it, this was just on the way to work over speed bumps. So I could be completely wrong about this car. But I do have a 2014 (made in 2013) 328xiT M-Sport that I've driven on the track many times and I know the suspension is soft in that car when the DSC off. It sounds like things have changed since then?

Next time I'm on the track I'll use the M Laptimer App and measure the cornering performance of DSC Off vs Sport+, I'll also see if I can get in a M235 and do a proper 228 ZTR vs M235 with statistics from the M Laptimer.

[Ramos]

I have done a track weekend in my M235 already. First day in sport + second day in DSC off

My car is manual 6MT so the only difference between the two modes was the throttle sensitivity (lazier/comfort setting in DSC off vs hyper sensitive in comfort +) suspension is firm / same thing in both modes.

And obviously the DSC is completely off in DSC off mode which can be scary in the wrong hands but very enjoyable and controllable if you know what you're doing.

Bottom line is sport plus is a bull shit setting (at least on track) heel toe down shifts and throttle steering / throttle feathering are so much easier and more controllable in DSC off and the car allows for more sliding around which again if you know what you're doing is a great feeling.

I pretty much exclusively use comfort for commuting and DSC off on track with the occasional sport stint to hear the exhaust .. Never use sport + anymore

[2msport]

Originally Posted by Ramos

I have done a track weekend in my M235 already. First day in sport + second day in DSC off

My car is manual 6MT so the only difference between the two modes was the throttle sensitivity (lazier/comfort setting in DSC off vs hyper sensitive in comfort +) suspension is firm / same thing in both modes.

And obviously the DSC is completely off in DSC off mode which can be scary in the wrong hands but very enjoyable and controllable if you know what you're doing.

Bottom line is sport plus is a bull shit setting (at least on track) heel toe down shifts and throttle steering / throttle feathering are so much easier and more controllable in DSC off and the car allows for more sliding around which again if you know what you're doing is a great feeling.

I pretty much exclusively use comfort for commuting and DSC off on track with the occasional sport stint to hear the exhaust .. Never use sport + anymore

And then there's people who think sport + is too dangerous lol

[Ramos]

The issue is that most of us including myself initially thought DSC off is just that. A way to turn off the nannies while maintaining whatever steering/throttle/suspension/transmission mode you are in.

It's not, hence the confusion. BMW should have labeled this "track mode" instead or allowed for more custom settings although as I explained before imo DSC off really works well with the lazy throttle

[strike4A]

This is more applicable for F22:

http://www.babybmw.net/forum/viewtop...?f=74&t=71296&

[BMW335iOn18s]

Originally Posted by strike4A

This is more applicable for F22:

http://www.babybmw.net/forum/viewtop...?f=74&t=71296&

Lots of errors in that one. I can confirm Pikachu's chart is accurate.

[Merc for hire]

Originally Posted by Cyberdemon

The chart was written by an F30post member who pulled most of the information from one of the technical bulletins written for the F chassis.

While there may be small tweaks over the past 2 years, generally speaking the adaptive settings for the dampers, throttle, and transmission should remain the same, as should the eLSD. The exhaust mappings and active sound have been tweaked over time, I do know that much.

The damper settings however should be correct, it has been discussed previously that you lose "Sport" throttle mapping, but sport mapping is simply artificially increasing the aggressiveness of the throttle. This is generally ideal because the "Comfort" setting for throttle is linear which is preferred for modulation. In sport you get the "Artificial" feeling of speed because at 50% pedal travel you are well above 50% throttle. The car is not faster, your foot has just pretended to move farther.

The chart should be pretty accurate other than that because there were not a huge amount of technical differences between the F2x and F3x (when similarly equipped with the sport auto + adaptive dampers).

Comfort mode absolutely delays the throttle response time as well. Making quick downshift rev-matches a pain in the ass.

Sport mode is absolute must for city driving on a manual 2 Series car.

[DarkstarZero]

Originally Posted by Merc for hire

Comfort mode absolutely delays the throttle response time as well. Making quick downshift rev-matches a pain in the ass.

Sport mode is absolute must for city driving on a manual 2 Series car.

I can agree with this, it does feel like there's a delay in throttle response in comfort mode.

But I also agree that you need the full range of the throttle for track driving.

[pikcachu]

Wonder if DTC ON is a mode on iteself too....

[OpenAir]

I have to say that for driving around the city and just having fun, DSC OFF is the best of everything for me...Launch Control works great, I can bust the rear end loose when I want and I still have a nice exhaust note.

Pikcachu is right, DSC Off is a mode in itself!

[Pray for Mojo]

Originally Posted by BarryJI

So, starting in Comfort mode, you hold the DCS button until you get a "DCS Off" indication and the car drives better, and sportier, than in Sport + mode? Perhaps this makes more of a difference in the 6MT because I have an 8AT 228i M Sport w/Dinan Stage 1 and I would definitely miss the much sharper throttle and suspension behavior and more aggressive gearing in Sport and Sport + compared with Comfort. In Comfort mode with DSC off, I can see the advantages on the track of no TC and less jumpy throttle response in corners but for street driving, is it worth being in Comfort mode vs. Sport or Sport + just for the sake of having no active or passive TC?

Mines a manual and I dislike the throttle sensitivity on sport and sport+. DCS off will tighten the suspension and add the ediff. I can see your experience being different with the automatic and its shift points ect.