Worth a read.

creepy coupe · 01-26-2016, 10:57 AM

http://forums.m3cutters.co.uk/showthread.php?t=144412

Kal101 · 01-26-2016, 01:25 PM

Bloody hell

Glad I've left mine as stock !!!!

Apl440i or 335d? · 01-26-2016, 01:37 PM

Crikey

Mark1966 · 01-26-2016, 01:43 PM

It seems to me that more and more people are making substantial changes to their vehicles whilst on lease/PCP. In the past it tended to be people that had purchased cars maybe 3rd plus hand that modified but it has now become too tempting with modern turbo engines to extract extra horses for very little outlay.

I think we are going to see more of a crackdown by all manufacturers when it comes to warranty claims on cars that have had tuning boxes, suspension etc mods.

I have never modified a car as I am a believer that it should be perfect out of the box but would not knock anyone for making mods. I think however those that do mod may have to expect the worse if problems arise.

AlfaM · 01-26-2016, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by creepy coupe

http://forums.m3cutters.co.uk/showthread.php?t=144412

I had my ACS springs fitted by the dealer before registration, delivery and signing the finance docs - so I'd say i was covered.

Watsey · 01-26-2016, 02:57 PM

The point here is that until such time as the lease car is disposed of or the PCP deal results in the final sale of the vehicle, BMW and/or the finance company want the car left as stock so as to protect is resale value and saleability.

I had a call from Allianz this week regarding the extension of the insured BMW warranty into Year 4 - all mods declared, no problems. The difference is that the car is mine, no finance, and the potential risk of devaluation lies with me.

Broncho · 01-26-2016, 03:17 PM

Reminds me of this from a few years ago, this guy had his pants down big time

http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/show...=193416&page=3

dopper99 · 01-26-2016, 03:30 PM

I had my ACS springs fitted by a BMW dealer so I can't see them fitting them if BMW finance are not happy.

pienchips · 01-26-2016, 04:42 PM

I don't buy that, a dealer will do as asked, if there is money to be made.

Your contract is with BMW finance not AN Other dealer Inc. If you have any undisclosed modifications or are restricted from making any in the wording of the contract and you are subsequently found in breach of said contact, then they are well within their right to terminate.

creepy coupe · 01-27-2016, 02:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dopper99

I had my ACS springs fitted by a BMW dealer so I can't see them fitting them if BMW finance are not happy.

Same here. But the dealer who fitted them had no way of knowing if there was BMW finance on the car.Unless they checked. But they had no reason to.

Tengocity · 01-28-2016, 02:37 PM

I've just had a read of the BMW finance agreement and it's pretty plain to see:

Clause 4(i) says you must not alter the vehicle in any way without written consent.

Clause 6 says they can end the agreement early if you do anything classed as default, which are listed in clause 7. Clause 7(b) says a default is any breach of clause 4.

So by rights it would seem pretty much everyone on the forum has done this!

Louda0801 · 01-28-2016, 04:36 PM

I wonder if you did notify them before hand whether they would be fine with mods such as springs and performance kit.

Firaxis · 01-28-2016, 05:16 PM

I had a quick read, depends really.

If it were any third party equipment, sure there's no doubt. But I didn't see anything in that thread specifying.

If it's something like AC Schnitzer, which is a fully endorsed company that's allowed to be sold through main dealers. Then I'd start to have an issue with it, why endorse them and / or allow dealers to sell and fit them on new cars if they frown upon it?

Even Ford has Mountune and they have no issues covering warranties for their endorsed tuning arms. I'd expect the same from BMW if they can't be bothered to offer PPK's etc. for many of their models..

I'll ask BMW finance before I get mine AC'd, if they so no I'll cancel the order and get myself a Mustang. Might think it's a bit of an over reaction? Maybe so, but for me it's pivotal to have options and upgrades if you're going to live with a car long term.

robwils · 01-29-2016, 06:14 AM

Might be one advantage of 'buying' your car then

as opposed to PCP.

Looks like it could be a bit of a minefield

Daftasabrush · 01-29-2016, 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Firaxis

I had a quick read, depends really.

If it were any third party equipment, sure there's no doubt. But I didn't see anything in that thread specifying.

If it's something like AC Schnitzer, which is a fully endorsed company that's allowed to be sold through main dealers. Then I'd start to have an issue with it, why endorse them and / or allow dealers to sell and fit them on new cars if they frown upon it?

Even Ford has Mountune and they have no issues covering warranties for their endorsed tuning arms. I'd expect the same from BMW if they can't be bothered to offer PPK's etc. for many of their models..

I'll ask BMW finance before I get mine AC'd, if they so no I'll cancel the order and get myself a Mustang. Might think it's a bit of an over reaction? Maybe so, but for me it's pivotal to have options and upgrades if you're going to live with a car long term.

AC Schnitzer are not approved by BMW in any way so BMW finance won't have a friendly stance on mods made by them. There are some dealers that choose to supply AC Schnitzer stuff, but that's off their own backs and not backed up by BMW UK.

Firaxis · 01-29-2016, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daftasabrush

AC Schnitzer are not approved by BMW in any way so BMW finance won't have a friendly stance on mods made by them. There are some dealers that choose to supply AC Schnitzer stuff, but that's off their own backs and not backed up by BMW UK.

That's not what I've been told, so I spoke with BMW finance and they said I need to speak with BMW logistics on Monday.. I'll see what they say.

Tengocity · 01-29-2016, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Firaxis

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daftasabrush

AC Schnitzer are not approved by BMW in any way so BMW finance won't have a friendly stance on mods made by them. There are some dealers that choose to supply AC Schnitzer stuff, but that's off their own backs and not backed up by BMW UK.

That's not what I've been told, so I spoke with BMW finance and they said I need to speak with BMW logistics on Monday.. I'll see what they say.

BMW logistics?! Surely all they do is move stuff around?

NISFAN · 01-29-2016, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daftasabrush

Quote:

Originally Posted by Firaxis

I had a quick read, depends really.

If it were any third party equipment, sure there's no doubt. But I didn't see anything in that thread specifying.

If it's something like AC Schnitzer, which is a fully endorsed company that's allowed to be sold through main dealers. Then I'd start to have an issue with it, why endorse them and / or allow dealers to sell and fit them on new cars if they frown upon it?

Even Ford has Mountune and they have no issues covering warranties for their endorsed tuning arms. I'd expect the same from BMW if they can't be bothered to offer PPK's etc. for many of their models..

I'll ask BMW finance before I get mine AC'd, if they so no I'll cancel the order and get myself a Mustang. Might think it's a bit of an over reaction? Maybe so, but for me it's pivotal to have options and upgrades if you're going to live with a car long term.

AC Schnitzer are not approved by BMW in any way so BMW finance won't have a friendly stance on mods made by them. There are some dealers that choose to supply AC Schnitzer stuff, but that's off their own backs and not backed up by BMW UK.

Agreed, BMW dealers are franchises, what they do is not necessarily endorsed by either BMW UK or BMWFS.

As an aside, I did ask BMWFS about fitting the PPK. They said as it was an official BMW upgrade, no need to get written permission. Not sure they'd be happy about the other mods

Wills2 · 01-29-2016, 01:16 PM

Guy mods car and it starts to rattle, he takes to dealer says fix this, then complains to BMW about rattles and or dealer, then BMW retorts in kind.....

I have some rattles from the trim I fitted (MP trim) but the dealer knows I fitted it so I will not try it on and complain, they will help me and said they would look to refit to see if that helps, but it's the way you ask not what you ask.

I have a really good relationship with my dealer and I intend to keep it that way...

Firaxis · 01-29-2016, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NISFAN

Agreed, BMW dealers are franchises, what they do is not necessarily endorsed by either BMW UK or BMWFS.

As an aside, I did ask BMWFS about fitting the PPK. They said as it was an official BMW upgrade, no need to get written permission. Not sure they'd be happy about the other mods

Well that's it in a nutshell, if I get written permission at least I know where I stand..

Flyboy-fil · 02-03-2016, 03:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Broncho

Reminds me of this from a few years ago, this guy had his pants down big time

http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/show...=193416&page=3

Wow, that's some major story Broncho, some terrible behaviour but perhaps the Original Poster didn't pick the best option when he initially threw his toys out the pram resulting in the worse behaviour by the dealer.

Rukka · 02-03-2016, 09:38 AM

Scary reading and if BMW are going to take that heavy handed approach as the ace up their sleeve I would really think long and hard before any mods.

I was on the fence regarding lowering it (as it really doesn't handle badly at all and it would be purely for aesthetics) but after reading this I will wait for an "official" MP option for springs (if one ever comes.....)

I suppose this "could" apply to coding as well....................

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