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      06-10-2016, 10:55 AM   #1
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Teaser: M4 GTS vs 911 GT3 at Hockenheim (Sport Auto)

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Sport Auto has put them head to head on Hockenheim. Don't know the lap times yet, they just put up this teaser.


https://www.facebook.com/sportauto.d...1069743909212/

Also, there is a onboard video showing both cars lap the track here:



I timed the laps in the video to:

M4 GTS: 1:09,6
GT3: 1:09,2

Wonder how far off from the exact times that was. With just 4/10ths difference in my timing that's just down to reaction time when clicking start stop on the stop watch... They seem to be pretty evenly matched at least


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WOW this is awesome! Sound contest is already won in my book
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wow is right! thats fast either way!
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Awesome.

Looks like he is manually shifting the DCT and letting the PDK Sport do it.

PDK Sport is so superior to DCT, so who knows how much that translates into.....anyway I am taking the GT3 to COTA next weekend and hopefully the GTS in November so....same driver, same track....and will be able to give thoughts on the comparison...
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Auto Bild just tested the GTS as well.

0-100km 3.7
0-160km 7.8
0-200km 12.2
0-250km 21.6

Sachsenring track: Big jump in track performance, 1:33.17 compare to standard M4 DKG (non CP) 1:37.22, and just slightly slower than GT3's 1:32.97
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Sport Auto has put them head to head on Hockenheim. Don't know the lap times yet, they just put up this teaser.


https://www.facebook.com/sportauto.d...1069743909212/

Also, there is a onboard video showing both cars lap the track here:



I timed the laps in the video to:

M4 GTS: 1:09,6
GT3: 1:09,2

Wonder how far off from the exact times that was. With just 4/10ths difference in my timing that's just down to reaction time when clicking start stop on the stop watch... They seem to be pretty evenly matched at least


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You did a great job. I just got the magazine, GTS 1:09.6, and GT3 1:09.2.

And the acceleration figures were the same for both car, 0-100km 3.9, 0-160km 8.0, and 0-200km 12.3.
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Great find!

Maybe it's just a camera mounting issue, but it seemed like the GTS was bouncing all around after coming off the bumps whereas the GT3 seemed to settle down a lot quicker.

Again, hard to say since we don't know where the cameras were mounted.
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Meh, Jeans + No Gloves = Newbie.

NO but really, that was awesome. I can feel the adrenaline rush just watching the video... imagine how it really feels in the cockpit.
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Meh, Jeans + No Gloves = Newbie.

NO but really, that was awesome. I can feel the adrenaline rush just watching the video... imagine how it really feels in the cockpit.
Was waiting for the first replies regarding the driver Last time we saw a video of this driver (M2 around Hockenheim) we had loads of comments about how bad a driver he was and his granny seating position

Understand that your comment was sarcastic and probably in reference to the comments on the M2 video though
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Was waiting for the first replies regarding the driver Last time we saw a video of this driver (M2 around Hockenheim) we had loads of comments about how bad a driver he was and his granny seating position

Understand that your comment was sarcastic and probably in reference to the comments on the M2 video though
LOL well.. i'm no one to comment on anyone driving a GTS. I'd gracefully bow to a granny driving it too hehehe The car itself is epic. But yah, he's pretty bad swerving on turns probably because of granny sitting position
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b/c of the adjustability.... I wonder what settings are on the GTS...

Walter talked about he would drop the the front 10mm and the rear 5mm for track use and maximum attack of rear splitter and front splitter.... but would probably leave all the other settings in street....(rebound etc).
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That being said. The reason the lock rings are on the coil overs for lowest position is to keep corner balance. This is done at Garching and then the collars are put in place. Therefore whether you are at high setting or low setting it is corner balanced. I am sure it would take a serious driver to notice this if you did the 10/5 drop but these are the steps M took on the GTS To dial in the High/Low compression and rebound takes a skilled suspension tech or a driver that really understands these settings.


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b/c of the adjustability.... I wonder what settings are on the GTS...

Walter talked about he would drop the the front 10mm and the rear 5mm for track use and maximum attack of rear splitter and front splitter.... but would probably leave all the other settings in street....(rebound etc).
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Thanks for finding and posting!

I didn't think the sound would even be a contest compared to a 9KRPM NA flat siz, but I like the GTS better.
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I am exploding here, please give me the time from Nurburgring😑😑😑🙄😌. Seems he did lose 1-2 Tenthes oversteeing the M4 GTS end of lap? Then again GT3 seems to understeer a tiny bit more? I am very keen to know these 2 cars accuall weight when tested. I guess M4 GTS is more porky, If so It drive very well👍

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I am exploding here, please give me the time from Nurburgring😑😑😑🙄😌. Seems he did lose 1-2 Tenthes oversteeing the M4 GTS end of lap? Then again GT3 seems to understeer a tiny bit more? I am very keen to know these to cars accuall weight when tested. I guess M4 GTS is more porky, If so I go very well👍
There is always weight savings to be found in the GTS
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The more I think of it the more I see M4 GTS is big Bang For the buck. The speed and performance it deliver is top notch at that price. Its nr 16 on sport auto hockenheim list in regards of laptime. Thats some big dollar cars on that list. I guess sport auto and Christian G is like 3-5 sec slower than BMW factory GTS driver on Nur. Then its on 10 place on Nurburgring sport auto list. Propper fast this car For the money its cheep.
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Here's the actual article... Google translate text below (sorry don't have time to refine the translation but you'll get it..)

Very closely matched cars indeed!
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What BMW just in his model portfolio
missing is a "penalty". Porsche
has its "penalty", the 911th
Mercedes-AMG has the GT
his "penalty". Audi has its "penalty"
named R8. Jaguar calls his
"Penalty" F-Type. And so on.
We could play games with other
further propel brands arbitrarily and would
always come to the same conclusion -
only BMW lacks a true sports car. In order to
BMW's advertising people with their slogan "M
- The most powerful letter in the world "yet
proved right, the developers are required.
For motorsports Dick ships as
the M6 ​​turned into thoroughbred athletes.
And in the series picks up immediately
highly trained middle class coupe named
BMW M4 GTS - and no less
as the Porsche 911 GT3.
Intelligent lightweight? 1591 kg
Leave a mighty impression have
M-Boys published especially with their
Nordschleife video and the lap time
of 7:28 minutes. This infuses the M4 GTS
before starting the test as much respect a that
she thought briefly about it in Zuffenhausen
have, not just a "normal" GT3
to send in the comparison test, but equal
their precision weapon called 911 GT3 RS.
Hockenheimring, purely in the test procedure:
His early praise has the M4 GTS
now only once against the normal GT3
justify. And at the beginning, we also go
with the two wings animals on those of us
Hockenheim traditionally used scales.
The GT3 in Carrara White Metallic front lays.
By 1454 Kilo S-GO 5009 is exactly 54 kilos
lighter than the 991.2 Carrera S, which in the
last edition was advancing to the Super Test. Clear,
for bred GT3 fans it could be even less, but the scale of today are not
past GT3 versions, but the putative
Teams from Munich.
And in terms of weight should be the
GT3 times do not worry about the M4
GTS make. Visually missing the new
Hardcore coupe actually only starting numbers
and sponsor stickers to the
to make Race Car illusion perfect, but
on the scale prevails quickly sobering.
By 1591 Kilo is available only DKG
GTS just around 20 kilos lighter than
a series-M4 with DKG. Without DKG, instead
with the available the basic model
Manual switch, below already a normal
M4 then the 1600-kilo mark.
"Intelligent lightweight construction, consistently implemented",
says the GTS-press - we would
us even less weight desired. No,
love people, and so we are back at the
mentioned "BMW does not own
Sports car "-Thematik, with intelligent and
consistently reacted lightweight has the
M4 GTS little to do. Or why is
the hardcore model only with great navigation system
Available with air conditioning?
Rather, the M-developers have the maximum
Possible done to them superior
Quad version halfway to facilitate. It's clear
However, when the M-maker once without a
more or less heavy starting product
the AG-series development on a bare
Sheet may start paper, would certainly
again something else come out of it.
One thing can be the M-Force
definitely not be blamed: Missing Heart blood
during development.
In addition to the CFRP roof also the M4
carries basic version, has the GTS through a
CFRP bonnet, over the M4
Aluminum cover saves about 25 percent by weight.
Be careful when closing - haptically gives the hood a "light" feedback.
If they are with one hand pushing down on one side,
gives to the material. On the out
CFK and plastics produced tailgate
sitting in M4 GTS an adjustable carbon
Rear wing. Also the extendable splitter
the front apron was made of carbon in sight optics
produced.
Door open, enough examined the body.
A small eco-deja vu's at boarding
the GTS interior. The door trim
reminds her of "renewable
Lightweight material resources "gained
hard to the recycling facilities of
BMW i3. While the i3 interior so so
erotic as crocheted underwear acts like
the material suddenly sporting environment
the GTS interiors.
Rein in the carbon bucket seats, then
pull on the door loop the door and
then the seat belt strap.
The last three details are expected with their
typical red-blue M Strip quickly
be sought Sammlergut in the Fan Scene
or call the Retrofitters on the plan.
Otherwise, the GTS highlights in the interior, in addition to the newly formed center console,
the GTS logo on the dashboard, but
especially by the lack of rear seat
and instead placed there rollbar
from 0815-M4 from. The rollbar
part of the available at no extra cost Clubsport
Package that also six-point seat belts and
a fire extinguisher contains.
Herrlich: sawmill to 9000 / min
Well then, open fire - before the BMW M4
GTS but his cross dynamic autograph
must draw on the Hockenheim asphalt,
jumping the pit lights once for
Acting transverse dynamics champion 991
GT3 green. Turn the ignition key to the left,
pull PDK selector lever backwards - out
on the small track. Do we have the 475 hp
strong GT3 actually even imagine? No,
while from the known sports tires
Type Michelin Pilot Sport Cup one lap
to give warm, it is important for short
to correct an error. In a previous
Comparison Test of 911 GT3, Carrera GTS
and Carrera S (sport auto 2/2015) I had
originally posted times that barely
built over 1,000 copies of the 991 GT3
were. This was a misinformation
I had received. From 2013 to 2016
now forecast of around 3100 vehicles.
It would have been incomprehensible,
if so few the passionate
Boxer sawmill would impose. Tire temperature,
downshifting, full throttle. 4000, 5000,
6000, 7000 - hach, that's terrific - 8000,
9000 rotations. No matter what the aggregate
Technical problems in the past
has had or should have partly - in the
bursting, screaming and jubilant Saugmotorkonzert
you fall in love again
anew. At this moment we know
then a thousand percent that the new
Biturbo three-liter in the Carrera models
technically perfect and surely
future-oriented, but in terms of emotion
just miles away from this extraordinary
High-speed three-eight are removed.
Braking and downshifting self
blank or downshifting - latter works
awarded the PDK Sport mode.
Even if the automatic switching operations
Hardcore fans angry still, for
fastest lap, the selector lever in position
"D" are left. Perfect, as the
PDK under braking with intermediate gas shocks
the gears down by, the driver can
not even determines the switching time
choose. The same applies to the upshifts
upon reaching the speed limit.
So, as you know already, also shines
Today the PCCB again - with
very good metering impeccable ABSAbstimmung
in the border area. Also the
almost similar race Vorderachspräzision
while turning I can from the past
GT3 test still remember. On load changes
and then motivated at too
Last application reacted the GT3 in the past
Tests but always tend to have motivated
Heck pans. And today? After
the entry into the curve-clean brakes must
now suddenly fear no more load changes
and can early reinvest load.
Huch, here comes already a new application
the rear axle is used,
or why suddenly runs everything today
supple to? Even today remains the
Rear axle on the absolute limit agile,
but not quite as sharp as usual. At the
Rein brakes in the Sachs corner or sink
suppressed when the load changes, for example, always
briefly the stern.
After a brief counter-steering response
stormed the GT3 continues the racing line. driving pleasure
pure. Although the GT3 driving stability
not quite as high as the recent New
991.2 Carrera S, it gives the GT3 a total
more feedback. The little
mitteilsamere GT3 steering clear like
better than the steering of the current Carrera
S. But this is a matter of taste.
By predictable reactions
scores of GT3 not only subjective but
objectively measurable. With a lap time
of 1.09,2 minutes S-GO 5009 already
clear in the very first driven round
faster than its predecessor test which over
Lap times of 1.09,6 min (Super Test) and
1.09,5 min never got. eBeim rolling back into the pit lane
swings a little wistful - was the
last test drive with the 3.8-liter vacuum cleaner? unconfirmed
According to rumors the second
991-generation GT3 with 500 hp
strong four-liter come. By all
Case then between PDK and manual switch
can be selected. rumors
According to it, a special package without
give rear wing. The 911 R says hello.
M4 GTS: what kind of traction!
Enough of the GT3, now increases his challenger
in the ring. press the start button, dark
resents the straight-six biturbo by
the exhaust system with a new titanium muffler
and four 80-millimeter
Tailpipes. When upshifting under full load
booms the exhaust system partly tinny,
but sounds at all times significantly better
than the somewhat artificial acting Sound counterpart
in base-M4. The M4 in GTS with a
additional water injection equipped
Three liter engine here now 69 hp more and
comes to a rated output of 500 hp.
Turbo lag? For a direct comparison in
terms of throttle response is the M4 course
with the naturally aspirated GT3 a greedy, no,
almost snappy spontaneously to accelerator pedal movements
reacting against engine, but the
GTS-throttle response can be particularly in
impressive Sport plus mode. About a
Switch on the center console, the M4
Throttle response to be adjusted.
After the first fast lap is
immediately clear: it would be quiet and 600 PS
allowed. Not misunderstand, the M4 GTS
is definitely not underpowered, and his
Reihensechser is bearish, but the grandiose
Suspension tuning would also more
Power put away casually. The GTS wears a
specially designed three-way coilovers
in which both tensile and
Pressure level can be adjusted mechanically.
In addition, the anti-roll bars and support bearings were
modified.
In direct comparison, the turn-acts
the 911 GT3 still a bit greedy,
but also for the M4 GTS is understeering
a foreign word. He sets direction commands
more consistently to as the
M4-based model. The feedback of the steering
falls in the GTS from not quite as sharp
as in GT3. The steering angle required in
BMW is slightly larger. The holding forces are
in the characteristics of "Sport" or "Sport Plus"
but comfortably firm. Total also counts
BMW's steering to the direct copies
their electromechanical guild.
The GT3 rear axle is clearly pointed
Voted than the M4 GTS. Or else:
The M4 retain neutral and shows
against load changes almost immune. With
fantastic traction animated the hardcore
BMW, from corner to corner on the gas earlier to
go. expresses only the absolute limit
the stern. The power oversteer announces
thereby not surprise attack, but gutmütig-
manageable on.
For phenomenal grip level and the
high mechanical grip not only bears the
successful suspension tuning, but
mature and the first use of sports
Type Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 in.
Important: The vote of the ABS control
the standard in the GTS and for
the over-M4 slightly modified carbon
PCCB fits Agree
the Cupbereifung. Whether in on bumps
the Anbremszonen or in clean brake
in the curve - the GTS brake convinced anytime
with very good metering strong
Delay.
That the M4 GTS not only an increased
mechanical grip offers but itself
his aerodynamics, thanks to the extendable splitter and the three-way adjustable
Rear wing, is markedly improved, it shows
Hockenheim especially in the crossbar.
With 187 km / h moves in rapid
Left turn to the super sports car level.
911 GT3 pilots should so the wing
not underestimate M4 when in their
MIRRORS appears. With a lap time
of 1.09,6 minutes of the GTS is not only
the fastest production BMW of all times
the small track in Hockenheim, but
below also provides the basic M4 around three
Seconds.
Caught the Porsche PDK exceptionally,
as in the present test, an off
perfect day with a little too much Anfahrschlupf,
then there are 911 GT3 and M4 GTS in
Acceleration par. No, it is not
Misprint that both counterparties
exactly identical acceleration values ​​up
200 km / h have laid. The standard brake measurement
from 100 km / h is the GT3
in 33.3 meters, only 70 centimeters ahead
the M4 GTS. In Slalom BMW separate and
Porsche is only 0.5 km / h in favor
the 911 GT3.
Although the Porsche his nose at the finish
just before the new hero of Munich
has, is now more than ever, the following conclusion:
Rarely a BMW was so much sports car as
the M4 GTS - a real M1 successor
we would nevertheless delighted.
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Damn thats fast cconsidering its very porky this M4 GTS. Thanks For scan/pic etc👍
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Awesome, thanks for posting!!

Is there a Sport Auto super test coming with a ring time?
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The more I think of it the more I see M4 GTS is big Bang For the buck. The speed and performance it deliver is top notch at that price. Its nr 16 on sport auto hockenheim list in regards of laptime. Thats some big dollar cars on that list. I guess sport auto and Christian G is like 3-5 sec slower than BMW factory GTS driver on Nur. Then its on 10 place on Nurburgring sport auto list. Propper fast this car For the money its cheep.
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