[spiderman1982]

Do the adjustable settings allow you to adjust the steering from light to firm? There is no adjustment for the suspension. Is that correct? If the steering can be adjusted, then how much of a difference does it make?

[MTHRAR]

Originally Posted by spiderman1982

Do the adjustable settings allow you to adjust the steering from light to firm? There is no adjustment for the suspension. Is that correct? If the steering can be adjusted, then how much of a difference does it make?

Comfort is light steering and Sport/Sport+ have firm steering. You cannot adjust the steering individually, only by pressing the sport/comfort button on the middle console which is tied to other things like chassis, throttle response, MDM, etc...

[saint3448]

Nothing about the chassis is changed. It's Steering, Throttle, and MDM I believe.

[zenmaster]

Is the M2's comfort steering as loose as it is on the M235i? If so, is there a way to code firm steering for comfort mode?

[Kantalias]

Originally Posted by zenmaster

Is the M2's comfort steering as loose as it is on the M235i? If so, is there a way to code firm steering for comfort mode?

I don't know the answer to your question regarding coding, but I can't imagine why you'd want to drive an M2 in comfort mode. There's no change to the suspension so there's no ride "comfort" difference. The steering and throttle response of sport are worth it to use the mode 100% of the time. If you go DCT, the changes to the shift program are stunning and addictive.

[3tekcorps]

Originally Posted by spiderman1982

Do the adjustable settings allow you to adjust the steering from light to firm? There is no adjustment for the suspension. Is that correct? If the steering can be adjusted, then how much of a difference does it make?

It's very noticeable when you go to sport mode. It all depends on what you're used to though. I had a 228 loaner and the steering felt way worse than the M2. Some of that could be the tires though. It also seemed to break loose easier than mine.

Did you see the one at Kuni yet?

[spiderman1982]

I saw the black one at Kuni in Portland. Beautiful in black, but my order that I placed was in LBB. Delivery in October.

[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by Kantalias

I don't know the answer to your question regarding coding, but I can't imagine why you'd want to drive an M2 in comfort mode. There's no change to the suspension so there's no ride "comfort" difference. The steering and throttle response of sport are worth it to use the mode 100% of the time. If you go DCT, the changes to the shift program are stunning and addictive.

I want the firm steering and suspension in all modes all of the time. But want comfort mode so that I can drive sometimes when not needing the extra downshift/throttle response like for highway cruising at constant speed. Comfort mode also allows control of exhaust, which would be a secondary use, like in a residential garage. Maybe there's another way?

[Kantalias]

Originally Posted by zenmaster

I want the firm steering and suspension in all modes all of the time. But want comfort mode so that I can drive sometimes when not needing the extra downshift/throttle response like for highway cruising at constant speed. Comfort mode also allows control of exhaust, which would be a secondary use, like in a residential garage. Maybe there's another way?

I see. I have my exhaust valve bypassed open and ASD physically bypassed so there's no sound difference from comfort to sport. Thus, sport 100% of the time for steering, throttle and shifts. Even out on the highway I prefer sport shifts for quick passing. Comfort is just too lethargic if you want predictable performance.

[zenmaster]

Understood, but as far as I can tell sport mode disables 7th gear which is desirable on longer trips and where passing is not necessary. I put a lot of miles on my cars.

[koastal]

Originally Posted by zenmaster

Understood, but as far as I can tell sport mode disables 7th gear which is desirable on longer trips and where passing is not necessary. I put a lot of miles on my cars.

Wow really - didnt know that

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by koastal

Wow really - didnt know that

I'd assume you could manually change up though with a flick of the paddle.

[Verdi]

Why do you want the firm steering so badly? It's electrical and the feedback will actually be worse if it's too firm.

[3tekcorps]

Originally Posted by spiderman1982

I saw the black one at Kuni in Portland. Beautiful in black, but my order that I placed was in LBB. Delivery in October.

Do you have a production number already?

[ajvdh]

Originally Posted by MCarChris

I'd assume you could manually change up though with a flick of the paddle.

You are correct. You can always override it manually.

"Sport" programing follows BMW's typical methdololgy, which basically says "Let's not even make a pretense about fuel economy. And that includes use of the most economical gear."

The same holds true if you use the "sport" programming on one of the traditional manuals (e.g. the ZF 8-speed).

[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by MCarChris

I'd assume you could manually change up though with a flick of the paddle.

Yes, you can do it by switching to manual mode, then flicking paddle.
But now you have to remain in manual mode.

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by zenmaster

Yes, you can do it by switching to manual mode, then flicking paddle.
But now you have to remain in manual mode.

Yes same as ZF8 when I'm sport on the box. At least it gets into top whilst keeping the sound and throttle in Sport.

[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by Verdi

Why do you want the firm steering so badly? It's electrical and the feedback will actually be worse if it's too firm.

Not sure how it works on the M2, but on the M235i, the comfort steering feel is not good compared to sport. There is too much play. On the F30, comfort steering feel is about the same as M235i sport. So apparently BMW is playing around with relative feedback on different models.

[LinkF1]

Originally Posted by ajvdh

You are correct. You can always override it manually.

"Sport" programing follows BMW's typical methdololgy, which basically says "Let's not even make a pretense about fuel economy. And that includes use of the most economical gear."

The same holds true if you use the "sport" programming on one of the traditional manuals (e.g. the ZF 8-speed).

This is not correct for SPORT, it may be correct for SPORT+. I tested sport on my commute home today. It changed up to 7th at ~58 MPH, and back down to 6th at ~50MPH. I didn't get a chance to mess with SPORT+.

[Alex_bm]

Originally Posted by zenmaster

Not sure how it works on the M2, but on the M235i, the comfort steering feel is not good compared to sport. There is too much play. On the F30, comfort steering feel is about the same as M235i sport. So apparently BMW is playing around with relative feedback on different models.

Try not to confuse steering feel with steering effort.
The effort might be too light in comfort mode, especially if you are used to BMW hydraulic power assist.
The steering feel is equally absent in both comfort and sport modes. At least on m235. Haven't tried latest f30.

[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by Alex_bm

Try not to confuse steering feel with steering effort.
The effort might be too light in comfort mode, especially if you are used to BMW hydraulic power assist.

Yes, the comfort effort is lighter. I dislike this and it is actually much lighter than my F30 in comfort. It could partially be due to running 18's on M235i and 19's on F30? But in addition, it feels too loose as if there is more play before steering turn translates to tire turn. This is annoying at low speed and although somewhat more firm, disconcerting at higher speed.

Originally Posted by Alex_bm

The steering feel is equally absent in both comfort and sport modes. At least on m235. Haven't tried latest f30.

Yes the tire-to-road feedback is not there for '13 F30 335i and now the '16 M235i. It was there on my '07 e90 335i and '95 e34 540i.

[LinkF1]

Originally Posted by zenmaster

Yes, the comfort effort is lighter. I dislike this and it is actually much lighter than my F30 in comfort. It could partially be due to running 18's on M235i and 19's on F30? But in addition, it feels too loose as if there is more play before steering turn translates to tire turn. This is annoying at low speed and although somewhat more firm, disconcerting at higher speed.

Yes the tire-to-road feedback is not there for '13 F30 335i and now the '16 M235i. It was there on my '07 e90 335i and '95 e34 540i.

On the M2, the artifical lightness and deadzone is gone, even in comfort mode. It is amazing how much feedback you get from the car considering it is EPS.