[hellokitty]

https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/bmw...rade-bmwmcakit

Is this a good price for this set? Been eyeballing this upgrade for a while

[gjm120]

[QUOTE=hellokitty;21489126]https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/bmw...rade-bmwmcakit

Is this a good price for this set? Been eyeballing this upgrade for a while [/QUOTE

I've seen it for only slightly lower so that is a good price. Make sure you order the installation kit (shown at bottom) as it's needed to replace all nuts and bolts.

[feuer]

Originally Posted by gjm120

Make sure you order the installation kit (shown at bottom) as it's needed to replace all nuts and bolts.

Please explain why?

[gjm120]

Originally Posted by feuer

Please explain why?

The kit comes only with the nuts for attaching the arms to the wheel hub. The nuts and bolts that attached the arms to the subframe are not supposed to be re-used. These are the parts that come in the installation kit.

Some people are comfortable with re-using the nuts and bolts, but, it is probably a little risky. For what it's worth, Bentlley is clear about renewing all the fasteners.

[feuer]

Originally Posted by gjm120

The kit comes only with the nuts for attaching the arms to the wheel hub. The nuts and bolts that attached the arms to the subframe are not supposed to be re-used. These are the parts that come in the installation kit.

Some people are comfortable with re-using the nuts and bolts, but, it is probably a little risky. For what it's worth, Bentlley is clear about renewing all the fasteners.

I had a feeling that you will bring up recommendation like that. I say is absolutely OK to reuse!

[houtan]

Originally Posted by gjm120

The kit comes only with the nuts for attaching the arms to the wheel hub. The nuts and bolts that attached the arms to the subframe are not supposed to be re-used. These are the parts that come in the installation kit.

Some people are comfortable with re-using the nuts and bolts, but, it is probably a little risky. For what it's worth, Bentlley is clear about renewing all the fasteners.

I have reused the bolts once, one time, and didn't have any issues. The only reason I reused the bolts is because I knew they had never been reused since I was the one that installed them. having said that, Bentley and Rheingold say they are one time use so the by the book way is to replace them, just as you said. I replace them every time now, not worth the risk to me.

One additional risk with reuse is if the person is not the original owner of the car, there is no way to know for sure the bolts have not been reused already. So a person not switching them out will now be reusing a bolt possibly more than once. Not worth it to me.

[gjm120]

Originally Posted by feuer

I had a feeling that you will bring up recommendation like that. I say is absolutely OK to reuse!

You could very well be right. But, when you torque them to spec and go the additional 90deg, they are really torqued. I've read enough about torque to yield and stretch bolts, that i felt like for the ~$50 it was worth the comfort.

I'm probably anal about this sort of thing, but, I've had self inflicted screw ups in the past.

[feuer]

Originally Posted by gjm120

You could very well be right. But, when you torque them to spec and go the additional 90deg, they are really torqued. I've read enough about torque to yield and stretch bolts, that i felt like for the ~$50 it was worth the comfort.

I'm probably anal about this sort of thing, but, I've had self inflicted screw ups in the past.

Is the locking nuts that you need to be concerned not the bolt. If they have been over torqued at some point is possible not to be able to re torque them. However if the nuts re torque just fine... why replace them?
They are oval shape:
https://www.ecstuning.com/b-genuine-...h/33326760668/
https://www.ecstuning.com/b-genuine-...t/31106767496/
I have re used many with success, like 9 out of 10, multiple times.

[gjm120]

Originally Posted by feuer

Is the locking nuts that you need to be concerned not the bolt. If they have been over torqued at some point is possible not to be able to re torque them. However if the nuts re torque just fine... why replace them?
They are oval shape:
https://www.ecstuning.com/b-genuine-...h/33326760668/
https://www.ecstuning.com/b-genuine-...t/31106767496/
I have re used many with success, like 9 out of 10, multiple times.

Like I said, I'm probably over cautious. At least I won't be thinking about these particular nuts and bolts for a while as I just did this on my car 2 months ago.

[BSM n54iS]

Still kinda new on this subject, are these nuts and bolts aluminum?

[feuer]

Originally Posted by BdSM n54iS

Still kinda new on this subject, are these nuts and bolts aluminum?

No.

[BSM n54iS]

Originally Posted by feuer

No.

Right, I missed the part then on why can't they be re-used? lol What makes them not be able to hold torque again?

[mweisdorfer]

Originally Posted by gjm120

The kit comes only with the nuts for attaching the arms to the wheel hub. The nuts and bolts that attached the arms to the subframe are not supposed to be re-used. These are the parts that come in the installation kit.

Some people are comfortable with re-using the nuts and bolts, but, it is probably a little risky. For what it's worth, Bentlley is clear about renewing all the fasteners.

If you live in a state that uses Salt on the roads in the winter, I'd probably replace the bolts. Corrosion of bolts and nuts will weaken them, and that's not a good thing at 80mph on the interstate hwy.

[feuer]

Originally Posted by BdSM n54iS

Right, I missed the part then on why can't they be re-used? lol What makes them not be able to hold torque again?

Like I said some BMW self locking nuts are oval, not round. Take a close look:

[feuer]

Originally Posted by mweisdorfer

If you live in a state that uses Salt on the roads in the winter, I'd probably replace the bolts. Corrosion of bolts and nuts will weaken them, and that's not a good thing at 80mph on the interstate hwy.

Correct, this will happen:
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1369023

[r4dr]

There's no reason not to use new hardware. You're taking it all apart anyway, why not spend a few extra bucks to refresh all the bits that could have potentially experienced wear?

Enthusiasts are so cheap sometimes

[PourBoi-Jay]

[QUOTE=gjm120;21489221]

Originally Posted by hellokitty

https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/bmw...rade-bmwmcakit

Is this a good price for this set? Been eyeballing this upgrade for a while [/QUOTE

I've seen it for only slightly lower so that is a good price. Make sure you order the installation kit (shown at bottom) as it's needed to replace all nuts and bolts.

Where have you seen these lower?

FCP will usually price match.

[gjm120]

[QUOTE=PourBoi-Jay;21494404]

Originally Posted by gjm120

Where have you seen these lower?

FCP will usually price match.

Not currently. Over the last few months saw it for like $5-$10 less.

[mweisdorfer]

Originally Posted by hellokitty

https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/bmw...rade-bmwmcakit

Is this a good price for this set? Been eyeballing this upgrade for a while

You can get the front and rear m3 control arms for about $670.00.

There may or may not be any performance gain by getting the m3 control arms for the rear.

However, if you had the m3 control arms for the rear, your rear tires will have a natural .75 camber like the front. As a result, your tires both front and rear will wear evenly under spirited driving conditions.

If your stock rear control arms are over 100k, you should consider the m3 control arms for the rear. They do not cost a significant amount more than OEM.

[nanceman]

Originally Posted by feuer

I had a feeling that you will bring up recommendation like that. I say is absolutely OK to reuse!

You do know what torque to yield means, right?....

If it's a ZNS fastener it should NOT be reused. If it's a lock but equipped bolt and but combination the screw is typically not torque to yield. The Bentley manual details all the fasteners which are torque to yield. If they do not get replaced you will not maintain proper axial load.

[autoart]

https://www.oembimmerparts.com/BMW-E...3577kitoem.htm $283.00 it does not have the headlight leveling rod.

[whyzee125]

I paid just under 300 shipped for mine from offset motorwerks. Came with nuts and the headlight leveling rod, about a year ago.