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      09-22-2017, 05:54 PM   #1
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Car stuttering in 6th at 2K after new plugs

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Last week, I changed my spark plugs and the cylinder 6 coil to fix a cylinder 6 misfire (plugs already had 10k, so I changed them all since I was already in there). Since then, I've had some stuttering in 6th gear when accelerating moderately from 2k RPM. I can reproduce this consistently, and after doing so about 20 times, I still have not gotten a CEL or a code in the scanner.

I tried autologging and didn't see anything funny, but I'm not an expert at reading MHD logs. Do my logs show anything? Are there other parameters I should be logging? The car seems to run fine outside of this situation (also happens in 5th at 2k, but less often).

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      09-22-2017, 06:33 PM   #2
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Reset all adapts first (prob not throttle) and then do a manual of steady state speed (static throttle position) with at least 10 seconds of data . AND upload to datazap.me

Will try to have a look. No real definitives... Usually related to load req exceeding load actual at around 10-12 percent throttle based on what I have seen. Why is unclear.
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      09-23-2017, 11:10 PM   #3
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Did you torque the plugs to 18?
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      09-23-2017, 11:43 PM   #4
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are you using the same brand coils for cylinder 6 as the rest of your cylinders? Germany cars are picky and don't like it when you mix and match brands.

You try swapping out coil in cylinder 6 with a different one?

You check the spark plug in cylinder 6, make sure nothing is damaged or chipped?
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Your logs look fine.

I was having this same issue on the stock tune and it turned out being carbon build up. These motors are so dang touchy and mine were horrid. I just bought my car 15k ago and its at 95k, I'm almost positive it's never been cleaned. After cleaning manually with a gun cleaning kit and lots of brake cleaner, I reset the adaptations and took it for a drive. It was still missing for around the first hour of cruising around, then it just stopped. Car is running beautifully on MHD Stage 1 FMIC.

Id recommend doing what Temjin said, if none of that fixes it, It's possibly an injector, but I would try cleaning for carbon build up, especially if you've never done it. It's recommended around every 30k on regular pump gas. They get BAD quick.
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Reset all adapts first (prob not throttle) and then do a manual of steady state speed (static throttle position) with at least 10 seconds of data . AND upload to datazap.me

Will try to have a look. No real definitives... Usually related to load req exceeding load actual at around 10-12 percent throttle based on what I have seen. Why is unclear.
I'll reset the adaptations and see how it goes. The car seems to be fine at low throttle in 6th, but not at 50%.
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Did you torque the plugs to 18?
I didn't have a good torque wrench handy, but they should be close. Some of the plugs felt a little sticky when screwing them in, so it's possible they're torqued correctly but not in all the way.
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      09-25-2017, 11:06 AM   #8
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are you using the same brand coils for cylinder 6 as the rest of your cylinders? Germany cars are picky and don't like it when you mix and match brands.
I'm using these specifically:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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You try swapping out coil in cylinder 6 with a different one?
I didn't bother switching them around, I just replaced it with a new one. To me, it wasn't worth the time to mess around with it when the original part has almost 100k on it and the replacement part is cheap.

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You check the spark plug in cylinder 6, make sure nothing is damaged or chipped?
The old plug looked fine but I replaced it anyway. I had a CEL for cylinder 6 before replacing it and the coil, but with the new stutters, I'm not getting a CEL, and they're happening at a different time from before.
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Id recommend doing what Temjin said, if none of that fixes it, It's possibly an injector, but I would try cleaning for carbon build up, especially if you've never done it. It's recommended around every 30k on regular pump gas. They get BAD quick.
I had a walnut blasting done about 35k miles ago.
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      10-16-2017, 04:19 PM   #10
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I think I have a similar, or even the same problem as you. Check out my thread on it. Did you happen to figure out what was wrong? Interestingly enough I have the same Amazon coils as you and after looking into it, they might be the culprit due to counterfeit/poor amazon quality. I'm about to order some Eldor coils and I'll reply back if those change anything.
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      10-16-2017, 05:00 PM   #11
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I had a walnut blasting done about 35k miles ago.
Not saying it's your issue but valves should be cleaned every 30-40k miles.
I did mine at 33k (Have 52k now) a they were gunked up.
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      10-17-2017, 05:26 PM   #12
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I think I have a similar, or even the same problem as you. Check out my thread on it. Did you happen to figure out what was wrong? Interestingly enough I have the same Amazon coils as you and after looking into it, they might be the culprit due to counterfeit/poor amazon quality. I'm about to order some Eldor coils and I'll reply back if those change anything.
I haven't been driving the car as much lately, so I'm still waiting for the ECU to tell me which cylinder is having an issue. My guess is a bad spark plug since I didn't have this problem until I replaced the plugs a few weeks ago.
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