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AutoExpress : F90 M5 vs E63S

This weeks edition

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/auto-express/20180405

Verdict

1. M5

THE M5 is faster and more comfortable than the E 63. It’s also as good to drive and offers a great level of tech, so while its character is a little more subtle than the AMG, its spread of ability is actually broader, by the slimmest of margins. It’s practical enough and, although efficiency isn’t as important with cars like these, it’ll be slightly cheaper to run, which is a bonus.


2. E63S

IF you’re after real charisma, the E 63 S is brimming with it. It’s as fast as you’ll ever need, handles superbly, offers lovely balance, impressive practicality and an addictive noise. But the M5 is just a little bit better in key areas: it’s marginally faster, the ride is noticeably better and it’s more comfortable and refined. Still, personal choice will play a big part here; both are brilliant.
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Thanks for posting. Did they print any acceleration numbers ?
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Thanks for posting. Did they print any acceleration numbers ?
Yes they have

M5 vs E63S

0-60mph
3.2 vs 3.3 sec

30-70mph
2.3 vs 2.5 sec

30-50mph in 3rd/4th
1.5/2.0 sec vs 1.6/2.2 sec

50-70mph in 5th/6th/7th/8th
2.4/3.3/4.2/7.6 sec vs 2.5/3.4/4.8/7.8
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Are you sure it's not owned by Hearst or tested in South Africa? Lol
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Yes they have

M5 vs E63S

0-60mph
3.2 vs 3.3 sec

30-70mph
2.3 vs 2.5 sec

30-50mph in 3rd/4th
1.5/2.0 sec vs 1.6/2.2 sec

50-70mph in 5th/6th/7th/8th
2.4/3.3/4.2/7.6 sec vs 2.5/3.4/4.8/7.8
Thanks for the data ! Good find !
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This weeks edition

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/auto-express/20180405

Verdict

1. M5

THE M5 is faster and more comfortable than the E 63. It’s also as good to drive and offers a great level of tech, so while its character is a little more subtle than the AMG, its spread of ability is actually broader, by the slimmest of margins. It’s practical enough and, although efficiency isn’t as important with cars like these, it’ll be slightly cheaper to run, which is a bonus.


2. E63S

IF you’re after real charisma, the E 63 S is brimming with it. It’s as fast as you’ll ever need, handles superbly, offers lovely balance, impressive practicality and an addictive noise. But the M5 is just a little bit better in key areas: it’s marginally faster, the ride is noticeably better and it’s more comfortable and refined. Still, personal choice will play a big part here; both are brilliant.
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Are you sure it's not owned by Hearst or tested in South Africa? Lol
, everyone should rejoice now. Its a UK test, posted by a South African.
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M5 – Driving Impressions

THE M5 proves that it’s devastatingly effective with four-wheel drive. That engine produces 592bhp and 750Nm of torque, so the traction the M xdrive system brings is welcome – but it’s the calibration for the M5 that’s a stroke of genius.

Combined with the Active M diff, in 4WD Sport mode the agility belies the M5’s size and weight. It still feels large, but the car behaves like a nicely balanced rear-drive sports saloon, with the diff helping to turn the BMW when you get on the throttle. The M xdrive system then diverts more power to the front when you need it to drag the car out of a corner with plenty of stability and at an alarming speed.

It’s a shame the steering’s squishy, slightly resistive feel to your inputs removes a layer of communication and means you’re not all that well connected to the front tyres, but the security four-wheel drive brings is unmatched. As is the pace.

The M5 sprinted from 0-60mph in an incredible 3.2 seconds – one tenth faster than the 100kg heavier E 63 S. However, you’ll be hard pushed to notice this or the M5’s in-gear advantage over the AMG, which was around a tenth or two in most ratios.

What you will notice is the noise. Both V8s’ sound signatures are electronically enhanced, but the M5’s engine is more synthesised. With the £1,100 M Sport exhaust activated it produces a flat bark as the motor ramps up to 7,000rpm, but lift off and it drones artificially. It can’t match the AMG’S personality.

The gearbox doesn’t have the snap of the old DCT, but the shifts are smooth. It backs this up with plusher suspension damping than the E 63’s. In Comfort it’s more compliant, softening blows and smothering bumps with more refinement and composure than the firmer-feeling Mercedes. It’s a more refined car, yet in the raciest modes the BMW matches its body control and delivers lots of grip; we’d just like more communicative steering.

E63S Driving Impressions

THAT incredible V8 defines the E 63 S and gives it an addictive personality. While it was one tenth slower than the M5 from 0-60mph in our tests, taking 3.3 seconds, this is still incredibly rapid for a near-two-tonne supersaloon.

The motor feels even more explosive than the BMW’S and romps from low revs, rocketing through the mid-range and hammering towards its rev limiter with an incredibly bassy but rich and purposeful soundtrack, popping and banging with that AMG exhaust engaged. The shifts are a match for the M5’s in manual mode, while it’s as smooth in Comfort and therefore as easy to drive as the BMW.
It has nicer steering that delivers more feedback than the M5, without its squidgy and indistinct feel; as you move off centre the weightier set-up in the E 63 feels more natural. Adding weight to the M5 with its different modes makes it even more artificial.

There’s lots of grip to exploit, but the AMG is much firmer than the M car, even in its Comfort setting. On 20-inch alloys – standard on the E 63 S – it thumps over potholes and expansion strips, while even smaller ridges and inputs to the suspension unsettle the car more than in the BMW. The tighter focus means body control is good, but the road noise from the big wheels and tyres isn’t suppressed as well as in the BMW.

Toggle through to Sport+ mode for the dampers and the E 63 ramps up control, with a more rigid feeling. It’s surprising just how hard you can lean on the chassis and how well it stands up to this punishment, but as with the M5, its size means it’s better suited to more open B-roads and A-roads, where the 4WD system can work to enhance agility.
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Yes they have

M5 vs E63S

0-60mph
3.2 vs 3.3 sec

30-70mph
2.3 vs 2.5 sec

30-50mph in 3rd/4th
1.5/2.0 sec vs 1.6/2.2 sec

50-70mph in 5th/6th/7th/8th
2.4/3.3/4.2/7.6 sec vs 2.5/3.4/4.8/7.8
I'm sorry but this whole magazine crap is becoming absolute b*llocks. Below is a video by Auto Express of a drag of E63s WAGON vs Panam Turbo. There the WAGON does 3.1 to 60mph.....BMW must be paying serious wedge for these reviews.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdBT0DRC21Y
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I'm sorry but this whole magazine crap is becoming absolute b*llocks. Below is a video by Auto Express of a drag of E63s WAGON vs Panam Turbo. There the WAGON does 3.1 to 60mph.....BMW must be paying serious wedge for these reviews.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdBT0DRC21Y
All comparisons on the same day n same track? Come on u should know better
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All comparisons on the same day n same track? Come on u should know better
Now we are know who's the real fanboy. Lmao.
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I'm sorry but this whole magazine crap is becoming absolute b*llocks. Below is a video by Auto Express of a drag of E63s WAGON vs Panam Turbo. There the WAGON does 3.1 to 60mph.....BMW must be paying serious wedge for these reviews.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdBT0DRC21Y


Actual data is YOUR ENEMY WEAKSAUCE !

Google “AMG Character “......and you’ll feel better.

Plus, keep repeating to yourself “BMW is bribing everyone....it can’t be true “.
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Interesting comparo. Apparently M and AMG keep playing to their strengths.
BMW M - refinement
AMG - character.

It has been like this since the W204 vs E90 and apparently the trend will continue. Nevertheless I expected to hear that the F90 had more agility and stability with better steering feel, but that was not really the case. Good showing by both brands.

The E63 is receiving a LCI this year (very early on, which is unusual and Comp Pack is coming out for the M5).
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M5 â€" Driving Impressions

THE M5 proves that it's devastatingly effective with four-wheel drive. That engine produces 592bhp and 750Nm of torque, so the traction the M xdrive system brings is welcome â€" but it's the calibration for the M5 that's a stroke of genius.

Combined with the Active M diff, in 4WD Sport mode the agility belies the M5's size and weight. It still feels large, but the car behaves like a nicely balanced rear-drive sports saloon, with the diff helping to turn the BMW when you get on the throttle. The M xdrive system then diverts more power to the front when you need it to drag the car out of a corner with plenty of stability and at an alarming speed.

It's a shame the steering's squishy, slightly resistive feel to your inputs removes a layer of communication and means you're not all that well connected to the front tyres, but the security four-wheel drive brings is unmatched. As is the pace.

The M5 sprinted from 0-60mph in an incredible 3.2 seconds â€" one tenth faster than the 100kg heavier E 63 S. However, you'll be hard pushed to notice this or the M5's in-gear advantage over the AMG, which was around a tenth or two in most ratios.

What you will notice is the noise. Both V8s' sound signatures are electronically enhanced, but the M5's engine is more synthesised. With the £1,100 M Sport exhaust activated it produces a flat bark as the motor ramps up to 7,000rpm, but lift off and it drones artificially. It can't match the AMG'S personality.

The gearbox doesn't have the snap of the old DCT, but the shifts are smooth. It backs this up with plusher suspension damping than the E 63's. In Comfort it's more compliant, softening blows and smothering bumps with more refinement and composure than the firmer-feeling Mercedes. It's a more refined car, yet in the raciest modes the BMW matches its body control and delivers lots of grip; we'd just like more communicative steering.

E63S Driving Impressions

THAT incredible V8 defines the E 63 S and gives it an addictive personality. While it was one tenth slower than the M5 from 0-60mph in our tests, taking 3.3 seconds, this is still incredibly rapid for a near-two-tonne supersaloon.

The motor feels even more explosive than the BMW'S and romps from low revs, rocketing through the mid-range and hammering towards its rev limiter with an incredibly bassy but rich and purposeful soundtrack, popping and banging with that AMG exhaust engaged. The shifts are a match for the M5's in manual mode, while it's as smooth in Comfort and therefore as easy to drive as the BMW.
It has nicer steering that delivers more feedback than the M5, without its squidgy and indistinct feel; as you move off centre the weightier set-up in the E 63 feels more natural. Adding weight to the M5 with its different modes makes it even more artificial.

There's lots of grip to exploit, but the AMG is much firmer than the M car, even in its Comfort setting. On 20-inch alloys â€" standard on the E 63 S â€" it thumps over potholes and expansion strips, while even smaller ridges and inputs to the suspension unsettle the car more than in the BMW. The tighter focus means body control is good, but the road noise from the big wheels and tyres isn't suppressed as well as in the BMW.

Toggle through to Sport+ mode for the dampers and the E 63 ramps up control, with a more rigid feeling. It's surprising just how hard you can lean on the chassis and how well it stands up to this punishment, but as with the M5, its size means it's better suited to more open B-roads and A-roads, where the 4WD system can work to enhance agility.
I think this is the most accurate assessment I have seen to date. I driven both now as well. A lot of people talk about how steering feel on the F90 is now superior to F10 M5, I honestly didn't feel it. The E63S was definitely more communicative with the road as well.

Bottom line, F90 M5 is the more athletic of the two but not by much. The E63S is more of a brute force machine and sounds like it too. Unless you are going to be canyon carving on a weekly basis to really enjoy the weight advantage the F90 offers, the E63S provides more "fun factor" for every day driving situations. Although in terms of comfort the F90 is definitely the winner for every day driving, as the seats are far superior than the standard seats in the E63S, while the racing seats option in the E63S are not really comfortable for long periods of driving in that car. The E63S offers more sleeper status as well, as I honestly cannot tell the difference between it and a C63S sedan in random traffic.

These two are so close now they are almost indistinguishable. I only choose the E63S over the F90 because of the lack of innovation when it came to the engine choice for the F90. I'm hoping the next generation G90 M5 will not feature an S63xx version again, then I will be excited once more for the new M5.
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I think this is the most accurate assessment I have seen to date. I driven both now as well. A lot of people talk about how steering feel on the F90 is now superior to F10 M5, I honestly didn't feel it. The E63S was definitely more communicative with the road as well.

Bottom line, F90 M5 is the more athletic of the two but not by much. The E63S is more of a brute force machine and sounds like it too. Unless you are going to be canyon carving on a weekly basis to really enjoy the weight advantage the F90 offers, the E63S provides more "fun factor" for every day driving situations. Although in terms of comfort the F90 is definitely the winner for every day driving, as the seats are far superior than the standard seats in the E63S, while the racing seats option in the E63S are not really comfortable for long periods of driving in that car. The E63S offers more sleeper status as well, as I honestly cannot tell the difference between it and a C63S sedan in random traffic.

These two are so close now they are almost indistinguishable. I only choose the E63S over the F90 because of the lack of innovation when it came to the engine choice for the F90. I'm hoping the next generation G90 M5 will not feature an S63xx version again, then I will be excited once more for the new M5.
The reviews have said so far that in terms of handling both are equivalent. I think the 100kg makes the M5 slightly more agile, but it has been quite interesting, seeing the reviewers argue that the E63 S has better steering feel (I for a second thought that was B.S.) and feels more point and squirt. I think the E63 S has far more personality than the M5 and than most of the previous gens of these type of cars. When I drove the E63 S, I felt it reminded me a lot of the M5 E60 in terms of character, and feeling like something special. It feels very special, from the get go. I have not been in the M5 but I have been in the 540i M Sport package and in the E43 AMG, and the AMG feels like it has the more refined and "techy" cabin. Both are epic though.
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THAT incredible V8 defines the E 63 S and gives it an addictive personality. While it was one tenth slower than the M5 from 0-60mph in our tests, taking 3.3 seconds, this is still incredibly rapid for a near-two-tonne supersaloon.
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From my reading of the article, it is the sound of the E63S engine that makes it "feel"better; not that the engine performance is better.
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As for steering feel there are reviewers with different view...

"he latest E63 S is a very fine piece of kit, but in certain areas it is not quite as well honed as the new M5. One important point in favour of the BMW is its steering. The variable-effort rack operates with commendable precision, balance and agility. Steering angle and steering effort work in total harmony, even when you start changing the settings named Comfort, Sport and Sport Plus.

The Mercedes’ steering feels meaty and switched on, but the self-centring motion is somewhat exaggerated. In addition, it takes a more conscious turn at the wheel to dial in lock. Wind on more, and the feedback starts to blur just a touch. When the tail eventually swings round, the steering response is quite light until you reach the point when an invisible counterweight tells the palms in no unclear terms that the next move may be Game Over. In certain situations this system just feels too clever for its own good, where the direction-finder of the M5 is more linear, and its response has more depth."

https://www.google.com.sg/amp/s/www....n-test-review/
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As for steering feel there are reviewers with different view...

"he latest E63 S is a very fine piece of kit, but in certain areas it is not quite as well honed as the new M5. One important point in favour of the BMW is its steering. The variable-effort rack operates with commendable precision, balance and agility. Steering angle and steering effort work in total harmony, even when you start changing the settings named Comfort, Sport and Sport Plus.

The Mercedes' steering feels meaty and switched on, but the self-centring motion is somewhat exaggerated. In addition, it takes a more conscious turn at the wheel to dial in lock. Wind on more, and the feedback starts to blur just a touch. When the tail eventually swings round, the steering response is quite light until you reach the point when an invisible counterweight tells the palms in no unclear terms that the next move may be Game Over. In certain situations this system just feels too clever for its own good, where the direction-finder of the M5 is more linear, and its response has more depth."

https://www.google.com.sg/amp/s/www....n-test-review/
Basically these journalists are no different than people here in this forum, everybody's got different opinion on the same thing.
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If I did not already have a f10 550i M-Sport with extras, then the f90 M5 might look more exciting. I am just ready for a change. It will be either the M5 or E63s and so far I am leaning AMG... .

Agreed that the reviews are following a pattern, with performance trading off in many reviews. Seems even performance but the M5 can go more comfy (a good quality).
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If I did not already have a f10 550i M-Sport with extras, then the f90 M5 might look more exciting. I am just ready for a change. It will be either the M5 or E63s and so far I am leaning AMG... .

Agreed that the reviews are following a pattern, with performance trading off in many reviews. Seems even performance but the M5 can go more comfy (a good quality).
The problem I have with E63s (in addition to the interior styling) is that it is way too similar to the C in the front, and I am not a fan of the rear either.
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The problem I have with E63s (in addition to the interior styling) is that it is way too similar to the C in the front, and I am not a fan of the rear either.

Well, this is probably why they make different makes and models of cars--everyone can get what they like!

As far as grill and other similarities among different models, welcome to Audi, BMW and Mercedes. The f90 and f10 550i M-Sport (and even lower models with M-Sport Packages) look frighteningly similar to the f90 M5 both inside and out. The M5 of course has many actual material differences and is a better performance car in all respects.

I feel fortunate that we are at a time when we have several excellent choices--not sure how long that will last with green cars, earth-huggers, etc. Time will tell.
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Well, this is probably why they make different makes and models of cars--everyone can get what they like!

As far as grill and other similarities among different models, welcome to Audi, BMW and Mercedes. The f90 and f10 550i M-Sport (and even lower models with M-Sport Packages) look frighteningly similar to the f90 M5 both inside and out. The M5 of course has many actual material differences and is a better performance car in all respects.

I feel fortunate that we are at a time when we have several excellent choices--not sure how long that will last with green cars, earth-huggers, etc. Time will tell.
M5 is still a 5 series so it make sense to look like M550i. On the other hand, for E63 to look this similar to "C" class is a different story.
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