[paimon.soror]

So someone mentioned this to me over facebook that they experienced an issue with the HD core VRSF, and I had to see it for myself if I too was experiencing the same false claims...

According to :
http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...&postcount=226

From thread:

http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...8#post20653378

We should be seeing about "10 fins in 26mm"

and that is with counting fins as the following according to VRSF (http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...&postcount=234)

NOT MY PIC


So um ... I ordered my HD intercooler. And i measured and im showing about 5.6 fins per inch (25.4mm)

This isn't my first 'cry' about VRSF...between a lack of communication, lack of quality control, questionable fitments.... honestly at this point I am completely fed up. Not sure Tiago@VRSF .

Can folks PLEASE measure their FMIC and let me know if you are seeing the same??

basically here is what is shown on one of the threads above (10 v's per inch):


compared to the density of my "HD" intercooler (5 v's per inch):

[Beemmer]

Originally Posted by paimon.soror

So someone mentioned this to me over facebook, and I had to see it for myself:

According to :
http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...&postcount=226

From thread:

http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...8#post20653378

We should be seeing about "10 fins in 26mm"

and that is with counting fins as



So um ... I ordered my HD intercooler. And i measured and im showing about 5.6 fins per inch (25.4mm)

This isn't my first 'cry' about VRSF...between a lack of communication, lack of quality control, questionable fitments.... honestly at this point I am completely fed up. Not sure what Tiago@VRSF has been doing lately, but clearly its all becoming more of a scam than delivery.

Can folks PLEASE measure their FMIC and let me know if you are seeing the same??

Of course, im a victim of trusting the vendor, and didn't measure before i installed.

didnt you got scammed with a vsrf cp also?

[paimon.soror]

heh, so you're seeing the trend as well?

I ultimately blame myself for cheaping out on parts for the BMW.

Maybe this can serve as a buyer beware ... wondering if people giving them such high praises even bother checking the QC for themselves.

[terryd5150]

I'd say they received the regular 5" stepped core instead of the 5" HD core.

[paimon.soror]

Originally Posted by terryd5150

I'd say they received the regular 5" stepped core instead of the 5" HD core.

clarified my original post... yup looks like both myself and a friend on facebook have the same results...

so thats 2 "HD" cores that were sent out that werent really "HD" if that is the case

[bradsm87]

What on earth are you looking at? The pic clearly shows about 10 fins per inch. Why have you put a number around once every two fins?

[paimon.soror]

Originally Posted by bradsm87

What on earth are you looking at? The pic clearly shows about 10 fins per inch. Why have you put a number around once every two fins?

Thats from VRSF's post. That is how they are counting fins.


http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...&postcount=234

[bradsm87]

Originally Posted by paimon.soror

Thats from VRSF's post. That is how they are counting fins.

I think it's just an honest mistake. Maybe tired at the time. At least there are in fact around 10 fins per inch.

[paimon.soror]

Originally Posted by bradsm87

I think it's just an honest mistake. Maybe tired at the time. At least there are in fact around 10 fins per inch.

Originally Posted by alex_j_5

I think your confusing the fins

guys look at the pic tiago shows of the 10 fins per inch. I dont care how you want to define "fins" (either a single line, or the 'v' shape), but there is twice the density in this pic compared to mine.

http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...&postcount=226



those fins are a hell of a lot denser and you definitely see 10 V's per inch

[alex_j_5]

Well i got the HD one which looks the same as your first few photos. I wasn't sure how to tell so i sent VRSf a photo and they said thats definitely the HD intercooler. Tiago is good at replying quickly so im sure he will.

[paimon.soror]

Then i wonder what the pic above that they showed is from

Something isn't adding up.

Would be nice to get some folks who have HD and some who have the non-hd to do some measurements.

But based on the pic above, something is fishy.

[rphz]

I have the 5" HD VRSF intercooler. I can check on mine tomorrow as I'm curious as well. I do have some pictures I took when I purchased it (for quality and dimensions) and so have one that shows what an inch is relative to the fins but the pic was taken to show the height of the front. Still, I think it might be helpful and looks close (note the is the front right corner cropped for fin detail):

[paimon.soror]

it looks a bit denser for sure...

[Tiago@VRSF]

The HD fin pack on the F30 is almost double the density of the street core. I’ll post a density comparison in the AM.

Please keep in mind that the fin density across different platforms isn’t the same by design. Fin density and flow are balanced per application.

[paimon.soror]

Tiago@VRSF Then it looks like although i ordered the HD core ... i got the street core.

How do we (and others) rectify this?


PS. all pictures and references i posted were for the F30 . so the latter point is moot.

[dr.roro]

Interesting..

paimon.soror What's the weight of your FMIC?

[paimon.soror]

i didn't weigh it before installing

[Tiago@VRSF]

Originally Posted by paimon.soror

Tiago@VRSF Then it looks like although i ordered the HD core ... i got the street core.

How do we (and others) rectify this?


PS. all pictures and references i posted were for the F30 . so the latter point is moot.

That's incorrect, you received the HD. What I meant by my previous response is the street HD core will not equal the fin density of the race HD across platforms by design. The Race core is intended for folks upgrading turbos who can afford the extra internal density in the core. If you're on the stock turbo the extra cooling is offset by the restriction of a core that's too dense which is why we carefully test each fin pack setup and determine which performs best in both categories, cooling and flow.

You're looking for conspiracy or wrong doing when there isn't one to be had. I can confirm you received the HD fin pack from the pictures you've posted. I'll have a side by side shot taken later today so you can see the difference between the street and the HD.

[paimon.soror]

does that mean you falsely advertised your product here:

http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...&postcount=226

Here's the new VRSF HD fin pack featured on the 5" stepped and race intercooler we offer

we are talking about the f30, we are talking about the vrsf intercooler, and we are talkign about the HD fin pack on the stepped intercooler

not sure why we are talking about the race HD when in the quote above you said stepped AND race.

[Tiago@VRSF]

Originally Posted by paimon.soror

does that mean you falsely advertised your product here:

http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...&postcount=226

If it's falsely advertised that was simply an oversight on my end. The picture was taken on our F30 Race intercooler and should have read race only. We couldn't/can't edit the post because it's been closed.

As previously mentioned, the HD we advertise simply means high density. The core you have is almost double the density of the street core we offer and still outperforms the street core significantly. It's still denser than the available options and it was specifically designed for the OEM turbo.

I understand our late response has allowed you to believe you've been scammed and I apologize. If we had been contacted directly before you made this post we could have easily rectified the situation quickly.

[paimon.soror]

Originally Posted by Tiago@VRSF

If it's falsely advertised that was simply an oversight on my end. The picture was taken on our F30 Race intercooler and should have read race only. We couldn't/can't edit the post because it's been closed.

As previously mentioned, the HD we advertise simply means high density. The core you have is almost double the density of the street core we offer and still outperforms the street core significantly. It's still denser than the available options and it was specifically designed for the OEM turbo.

I understand our late response has allowed you to believe you've been scammed and I apologize. If we had been contacted directly before you made this post we could have easily rectified the situation quickly.

its easy to check "if it" was... click the link.

is it wrong? message a mod to correct it

you have a responsibility to make sure you are representing your products and your company accurately. From the looks of that thread it just seemed like you were trying to oversell your product to prove it was better than the ebay intercooler. (true or not, the responses here surely make it seem that way)

answering my question in an email wouldn't have rectified the situation in its entirety, because I'm sure in the future there would be more people that would come across the thread just like I have when researching your products.

I shouldn't have to contact you to verify the product that I got was the product that was advertised..... I shouldn't even be questioning it.

[Tiago@VRSF]

I'm guessing you have an axe to grind or an agenda judging by your post history where you do nothing but clearly bash our products and I'm sorry for that. Either way I appreciate your purchase and will be more than happy to offer you the respect of a proper explanation.

The reason the fin spacing is as shown is to offer the best performance in terms of cooling without creating excessive restriction in the core. If we offered the same HD fin pack from our much larger race intercooler in this smaller stepped platform it would negatively effect performance simply due to the small size of the core.

While we do have some changes to the F30 FMIC line up planned for the future, this wouldn't be one of them simply because it would make your turbos work harder to create the same amount of boost which will wear your your turbos prematurely.