[Fegelein]

So my friend just dropped $150k cash on a '19 ZR1 Vette. I think he's nuts to pay that much for a "Chevy", but that's another convo. The limiter on the car is @ 215! Ours is a pathetic 155, but wonder what is really possible w/o it!

[Aronis]

If you have the M-driver package (one day training at the track) they increase the top speed limiter to 190. Silly. The car will go as fast as 163 as is (briefly) according to reports. Dinan will have a tune soon and probably a Just Remove the limiter option.

The Cadillac CTSv also has no limiter. LOL.

Mike

[allmotor_2000]

Dinan isn't going to remove the limiter...

[Aronis]

Originally Posted by allmotor_2000

Dinan isn't going to remove the limiter...

? why not?

Mike

[onfireX5]

Originally Posted by Aronis

? why not?

Mike

Piggy backs can’t. Takes a reflash.

[drewzMMM]

Originally Posted by Fegelein

So my friend just dropped $150k cash on a '19 ZR1 Vette. I think he's nuts to pay that much for a "Chevy", but that's another convo. The limiter on the car is @ 215! Ours is a pathetic 155, but wonder what is really possible w/o it!

There goes the bargain that high-powered Vettes used to be. 2008 Z06 was $80K and acclerated so hard it would rip your face off.

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by Fegelein

So my friend just dropped $150k cash on a '19 ZR1 Vette. I think he's nuts to pay that much for a "Chevy", but that's another convo. The limiter on the car is @ 215! Ours is a pathetic 155, but wonder what is really possible w/o it!

It's a lot more car for the money than 12x for an M5 . It's track performance can't be beaten by anything under 400 K .

[Neptune7]

Can you do a reflash with bmw service to remove the limiter post-purchase?

[Fegelein]

Originally Posted by gmd2003

It's a lot more car for the money than 12x for an M5 . It's track performance can't be beaten by anything under 400 K .

Aren't our numbers very similar? Also, you need an incredible amount of experience to keep that thing on the road or track, whereas a child can get the most out of our cars, given the tech. However, it's apples to oranges in a sense, because if one wan't the raw race car experience (as raw as can be today), I would say the Vette fills that role. He was even able to order it w/ a stick!

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by Fegelein

So my friend just dropped $150k cash on a '19 ZR1 Vette. I think he's nuts to pay that much for a "Chevy", but that's another convo. The limiter on the car is @ 215! Ours is a pathetic 155, but wonder what is really possible w/o it!

If all the limiters were successfully bypassed(there's more than 1), 202 is about all it will do on the standard model, 206 for the Competition. Biggest problem with it is the lack of suspension travel. Riding on the rear supplemental dampers by that point and the spring rates are just a tad too soft.

Originally Posted by Neptune7

Can you do a reflash with bmw service to remove the limiter post-purchase?

Full removal? Not from BMW. Retrofit of M Driver's Pack with increase to 190mph? In Europe yes, US is still TBD.

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by Fegelein

Aren't our numbers very similar? Also, you need an incredible amount of experience to keep that thing on the road or track, whereas a child can get the most out of our cars, given the tech. However, it's apples to oranges in a sense, because if one wan't the raw race car experience (as raw as can be today), I would say the Vette fills that role. He was even able to order it w/ a stick!

Lol no 150 hp and 200 lb feet more power , 700 less pounds and tire and aero .... I think you need to watch this .

[vtknight]

A ZR1 and F90 M5 should never be compared - nor should they be. The ZR1 is a world class track car - now that GM finally sorted their heat soak issues with the 13 additional coolers.

For the money - it will crush cars 2-3 times its price on a road course.

The fact it takes skill is a non-issue - if that were the case no hyper performance cars would be created as almost no one could actually push them to their limits. Performance cars are about what they are CAPABLE of - in a measured sense (objective).

All that said - I am good with 163 MPH without the ridiculous "performance" option to raise it to 190. More than enough for the half mile.

[Fegelein]

Originally Posted by gmd2003

Lol no 150 hp and 200 lb feet more power , 700 less pounds and tire and aero .... I think you need to watch this .

Understood on the power, but that's not obviously everything, it's how the power is utilized and put to the ground. That's the marvel of the M5 w/ only 600hp. For example, I've read that the Vette is "only" good for a 0-60 of 2.9ish, because of wheel spin, but again as i mentioned above, it's apples and oranges really overall.

[Aronis]

That Vette is very nice... I test drove one a couple years ago, both the base model and a ZR1. Opted to get an M2 at the time. Needed a car to get to work year round. By the time I can afford a 'toy' car for weekends only, it would be a Porsche.

Mike

[onfireX5]

Originally Posted by vtknight

A ZR1 and F90 M5 should never be compared - nor should they be. The ZR1 is a world class track car - now that GM finally sorted their heat soak issues with the 13 additional coolers.

For the money - it will crush cars 2-3 times its price on a road course.

The fact it takes skill is a non-issue - if that were the case no hyper performance cars would be created as almost no one could actually push them to their limits. Performance cars are about what they are CAPABLE of - in a measured sense (objective).

All that said - I am good with 163 MPH without the ridiculous "performance" option to raise it to 190. More than enough for the half mile.

+1

Sold a 2017 ZO6. Totally different than the M5.

[Fegelein]

Originally Posted by Aronis

That Vette is very nice... I test drove one a couple years ago, both the base model and a ZR1. Opted to get an M2 at the time. Needed a car to get to work year round. By the time I can afford a 'toy' car for weekends only, it would be a Porsche.

Mike

That's a good choice and I've had a Porsche as one of my toys since '09.
Before that, it was a couple Roush supercharged mustangs, ending with the '08 P51A, which I still wish I had..