[SPMor]

A lot of talk recently about emissions and changes that are to come due to more strict testing.

Talks about “green cities” that will no longer allow vehicles with diesel engines not meeting the new standard are a bit worrying.

I ordered my X3 in April with delivery in September 20d and it seems that it won’t meet the new emission standard.

Any info or comments about this?

[nogren]

Where have you heard that?
AFAIK, BMW are already far below the proposed new maximum levels of emissions in EU, partly because of both the NOx trap and SCR (AdBlue).

/n

[SPMor]

https://www.adac.de/infotestrat/umwe...p/default.aspx

No mention of 20d’s sadly which means they won’t be compliant.

[nogren]

Ouch. Hopefully a mistake, since the earlier 520d is there, as well as X3 30d...

[bobbylechat]

It's obviously a mistake, even the X2 20d is there

[kitzune]

I hope it's just a mistake. BMW is known for being ahead with emission. X3 is a new car with new (2014) engine; I think, as bobbylechat mentioned,its a same engine as in X2 20d and X1 20d. I am also waiting for 20d version later during october and because of thouse diesel problems I considered to change it to 30i, but petrol V4 with over 200hp seems to be a little overboosted to be long-term reliable.

[nogren]

There’s nothing wrong with the 30i and it’s output, but from an emissions and fuel economy perspective 20d seems to be superiour.
The noise is becoming better form the 20d as well, even though I prefer 30d, or 20/30i ... of course 40i is even better. :-)

[SPMor]

Sadly, the emissions levels have to do with a new type of testing and the same/similar engine on X1 does not necessarily mean that the emssions on X3 are going to be the same. More can be found on:

https://www.theaa.com/driving-advice...ions-standards

As you will notice on the ADAC list, X1 is compliant only since March 2018 which is when adblue solution has been added.

Again, i do not think that mine will (august built) be compliant but won’t swear on it . Will I change the order? No. Will I be dissapointed? Yes. Will 20d eventually become compliant with new emissions? Yes at the latest from September 2019 registrations onwards.

[nogren]

Good link!

Shit, it looks like my G01 30d order (to be built end of July) might be on the wrong side of the border as well:
https://www.adac.de/infotestrat/umwe...sourcepageid=0

Same thing happened with my current F31, but then it was Euro5 vs. Euro6.. A few weeks later build date, and they all had Euro6.. :-(

/n

[jrbeire]

Originally Posted by SPMor

A lot of talk recently about emissions and changes that are to come due to more strict testing.

Talks about “green cities” that will no longer allow vehicles with diesel engines not meeting the new standard are a bit worrying.

I ordered my X3 in April with delivery in September 20d and it seems that it won’t meet the new emission standard.

Any info or comments about this?

Most of the talk relates to earlier Euro standards - 4 and less. There's been some chat re restrictions on Euro 5 engines in the mid 2020's. Euro 6's should be ok for a while

[kilch]

Originally Posted by jrbeire

Most of the talk relates to earlier Euro standards - 4 and less. There's been some chat re restrictions on Euro 5 engines in the mid 2020's. Euro 6's should be ok for a while

Recently passed the technical control for my current 6 years old VW Touran and in the end received a notification flyer that my car (diesel, euro5) will be banned from entering Brussels since 1 January 2025.

But UK seems to be more strict:
https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ult...ying-with-ulez

[nogren]

Sad for Euro6 owners in the uk. Looks like we can get the same kind of zone here in Stockholm, except that they ban Euro5 from 2020, not Euro6.
So for me I guess it practically is not going to be much difference between Euro6 or Euro6d-temp.
It sounds a bit unfair to set rules with emission limits that are not standardized yet in the euro zone.

/n

[nogren]

Perhaps it’s also a cost and time issue to certify the cars on time?
Ie will there be a technical difference from a MY2018 and MY2019 X3 30d?
Hm.

/n

[jrbeire]

Originally Posted by kilch

Recently passed the technical control for my current 6 years old VW Touran and in the end received a notification flyer that my car (diesel, euro5) will be banned from entering Brussels since 1 January 2025.

But UK seems to be more strict:
https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ult...ying-with-ulez

Just for clarity - and as per your link: Euro 6 diesels will be/ are exempt from the ULEZ charge; other diesels are allowed enter - upon payment of a charge.

[nogren]

I misread the table (a difficult read on a mobile phone). Sorry, then I don't really see the fuzz of Euro6 vs. Euro6d-TEMP, for a new car today. Yes, of course, sometime in the future, and/or for a 2nd hand value of the car, it might differ. But probably not.

/n

[bobbylechat]

here in France they won't be able to go as low as they want since a lot of petrol engines do not meet the standards ...euro6 diesels have several years of clearance

[SPMor]

I guess here is the answer to my post:

https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/globa...or-summer-2018

[kitzune]

So can somebody explain this to me? I have found technical specifications for new X3 on bmw.de. It says that 20d and 25d are Euro 6c but all others models are 6d temp? Isn't 6d temp more eco or I'm missing something, how can 20d be less ecological than M40d. Btw 20d and 25d are the only engines with B-A efficiency, this makes it even more confusing to me.

[SPMor]

Originally Posted by kitzune

So can somebody explain this to me? I have found technical specifications for new X3 on bmw.de. It says that 20d and 25d are Euro 6c but all others models are 6d temp? Isn't 6d temp more eco or I'm missing something, how can 20d be less ecological than M40d. Btw 20d and 25d are the only engines with B-A efficiency, this makes it even more confusing to me.

Turns ou that my original analysis was correct. The reason why it does not fulfill the Euro6d-temp is not the CO2 but rather NOx. B470 seems to be the worst engine out of the diesel range when it comes to WLTP and RDE testing.

I am truly dissapointed as the press releases were stating that from August 2018 production Euro6d-temp will on the whole diesel range.

What more, BMW UK gives no mention of these. Starting from Sep 2018 however Registration Certificate will include info on emmissions standard.

https://www.fleeteurope.com/en/taxat...6c-and-6d-temp

[Hairysteve]

In the Autumn 2017 budget the Chancellor announced an increase in the first year VED rate of one band for new diesels first registered from 1 April 2018 that don't meet the Euro 6d standard.

If BM have been misleading then why not confront them with your concerns and see where the discussion goes. I have found that they like to reply and solve issues raised on Twitter.

Best of luck.

[SPMor]

Originally Posted by Hairysteve

In the Autumn 2017 budget the Chancellor announced an increase in the first year VED rate of one band for new diesels first registered from 1 April 2018 that don't meet the Euro 6d standard.

If BM have been misleading then why not confront them with your concerns and see where the discussion goes. I have found that they like to reply and solve issues raised on Twitter.

Best of luck.

Thanks for advice. Find it strange that despite the Press Release the car is only Euro 6c. Sadly I do not feel I have enough cloud to do anything. Not a big twitter presence.

[RichM50d]

Surely you can just cancel your order then?