[Mako]

You can now build the F Pace SVR on their website, I was surprised with how much comes standard, my build would be under $85,000.

they are showing weight at 4395 lbs and that's with a huge V8.
by comparison the GLC weighs 4517 lbs, Porsche Macan Turbo 4488 lbs, Stelvio Quad with V6 4340 lbs. So congrats to Jaguar on keeping the weight down!!!

without knowing the weight and power of the upcoming X3M the Jaguar is now the leader in lbs/HP at 7.99 (lower than the M3/M4).

This thing should be a rocket and I am assuming Jaguars 4.1 second 0-60 claim is conservative (maybe that's the street start 5-60 time). I would guess it has to at least match the Stelvio and Mercedes 3.3 second times that Car and Driver reported.

Also note with the price, its almost exactly the same as the Alfa, but undercuts the GLC with similar options by around $7,000 and the Macan Turbo by $14,000 while offering more cargo space than all of them.
Will be interesting to see the skidpad and braking results.

[Max Well]

Thanks for the update on the SVR, Mako. My build came in at $89,570.

The Wt/HP ratio is indeed impressive at 7.99, which is now 3rd (behind the Urus' 7.57 and the Trackhawk's 7.59. And I agree the 0-60 time is surely less than 4.1 sec. I would think somewhere in the 3.7-3.8 sec range at a minimum (looking at the chart in post #15 at https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1444613 ).

And it is now solidly in second place in the P-SAVIE (the global Performance-SAV Index Enhanced), thanks in part to the excellent cargo volume it continues to offer. P-SAVIE= Wt/HP x (0-60 time) x Cd x A div by Cargo Vol

Although some may cross-shop it with the Stelvio and GLC, for what it offers in cargo vol (only abt 4 cu ft less than both of those combined), this flexibility in the 'utility' category is rivaled really only by the Jeep, X5M, Range Rover, and roughly similar X3.

It seems a formidable adversary for the X3M, depending of course on it's handling, reliability, and infotainment abilities. But from a pure power standpoint it should be firmly planted on BMW's radar (and this doesn't include the proposed Lister Lightning variant at 666HP).

[Mako]

Originally Posted by Max Well

Thanks for the update on the SVR, Mako. My build came in at $89,570.

The Wt/HP ratio is indeed impressive at 7.99, which is now 3rd (behind the Urus' 7.57 and the Trackhawk's 7.59. And I agree the 0-60 time is surely less than 4.1 sec. I would think somewhere in the 3.7-3.8 sec range at a minimum (looking at the chart in post #15 at https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1444613 ).

And it is now solidly in second place in the P-SAVIE (the global Performance-SAV Index Enhanced), thanks in part to the excellent cargo volume it continues to offer. P-SAVIE= Wt/HP x (0-60 time) x Cd x A div by Cargo Vol

Although some may cross-shop it with the Stelvio and GLC, for what it offers in cargo vol (only abt 4 cu ft less than both of those combined), this flexibility in the 'utility' category is rivaled really only by the Jeep, X5M, Range Rover, and roughly similar X3.

It seems a formidable adversary for the X3M, depending of course on it's handling, reliability, and infotainment abilities. But from a pure power standpoint it should be firmly planted on BMW's radar (and this doesn't include the proposed Lister Lightning variant at 666HP).

You must have added all the tech options, I don't need that stuff, the 360 camera for $900, sound upgrade $450 and HUD for $1100 is good enough for me

I have been a BMW guy for a LONG time, briefly owning a Mazda Speed 6 (when I was younger) and Mercedes C63. The infotainment from BMW is just amazing compared to most brands and when you are still paying around $1500-$2000 for that it better be! Even more so now that so much of the cars tech is held within that system. I heard from a friend that the Alfa is HORRIBLE with its infotainment but they love the styling of the car and it drives great, they also said interior is a bit lacking (they don't have the Quad but only the seats are upgraded in the Quad).

My fear with the Jaguar is the infotainment, as the interior looks very nice in the pictures (despite some reviews saying the normal F Pace is lacking there as well). The X3 M40i has rave reviews for handling, interior, infotainment... I really hope the X3M brings it to compete with these 500HP+ V8s. If BMW says 450HP and around the same torque that could very easily be in the 500HP/torque range on a Dyno, the M3 was 425 and Dynos showed 475... I wonder if BMW can keep it under 4350 lbs though (M40i is 4308).

BMW also needs some better seat options, every other manufacturer is offering standard two tone seats and contrast stitching (colors, not just white), while BMW has been lacking with that unless you go individual.

[TxHornX3M40iGuy]

It's funny because Dinan just released the only upgrade they'll have for the X3 M40i and on the Dyno they discovered that the hp/torque was the most underrated by a manufacturer that they'd seen. The BMW numbers are closer to wheel hp/torque than crank. Not sure why that came out that way, maybe they did it to set up for the X3M not having too much higher a number? Not sure. They got 445hp and 440 torque at the crank stock. They were able to add 40hp/torque to the crank, 30 at the wheel with the stage one tune.

[FSociety]

Dinan lol!

Can't wait till proTUNING Freaks gets B58 engine supported soon in Bootmod3 real tuning real optimization no piggyback tricking ECU

[Max Well]

Jaguar's YouTube video posted last month:

Would hope BMW will release the X3M with min 500 HP as this segment continues to see the performance bar being raised.

[Max Well]

On paper and in these early videos the SVR looks to be a serious competitor to the X3M.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=CeMbKpUJkGY

[bjornb]

Originally Posted by Mako

You can now build the F Pace SVR on their website, I was surprised with how much comes standard, my build would be under $85,000.

they are showing weight at 4395 lbs and that's with a huge V8.
by comparison the GLC weighs 4517 lbs, Porsche Macan Turbo 4488 lbs, Stelvio Quad with V6 4340 lbs. So congrats to Jaguar on keeping the weight down!!!

without knowing the weight and power of the upcoming X3M the Jaguar is now the leader in lbs/HP at 7.99 (lower than the M3/M4).

This thing should be a rocket and I am assuming Jaguars 4.1 second 0-60 claim is conservative (maybe that's the street start 5-60 time). I would guess it has to at least match the Stelvio and Mercedes 3.3 second times that Car and Driver reported.

Also note with the price, its almost exactly the same as the Alfa, but undercuts the GLC with similar options by around $7,000 and the Macan Turbo by $14,000 while offering more cargo space than all of them.
Will be interesting to see the skidpad and braking results.

But i have a little feeling the X4M or X3M will be a little bit more expensive as the F pace SVR Since here in Belgium the X4M40i starts at 72K with options you will sit at around 90 ish. While the F pace SVR is with options around 106. i guess a optioned X4M would be around 110K. Correct me if i'm wrong. Im waiting for the x4M since i will most probably order it

[kozzi]

IMO, probably the best looking SAV on the market right now. My build priced around $91K USD and may ultimately prove difficult to beat overall. X3M will most likely be @$10K less. Hope BMW brings it. I want a more aggressive exterior and 500HP. Let's see if the F-Pace SVR will be worth the additional $10K. The size of this monster easily makes it the X3M's number one competitor.

[Max Well]

Originally Posted by kozzi

IMO, probably the best looking SAV on the market right now. My build priced around $91K USD and may ultimately prove difficult to beat overall. X3M will most likely be @$10K less. Hope BMW brings it. I want a more aggressive exterior and 500HP. Let's see if the F-Pace SVR will be worth the additional $10K. The size of this monster easily makes it the X3M's number one competitor.

Agree, almost verbatim. Although I'm going to go out on a limb as one of the few who actually hopes the ZCP comes in at a minimum $15-20K above the M40i and more level with the SVR's MSRP. For the quality of components desired in the X3M, I'm hoping they don't cut corners to force it into a lesser price point, at least not with the Comp edition. Not that I want to spend more, but if I'm going down the 'bucket list' path with this one I really do hope it is something special and allows us to get a sense of all the heritage and history which M represents.

For those still confused about what the Performance SUV/SAV field is all about, there is the pending Lister Lightning stirring up the mix even more: https://lister.com/blog/lister-worlds-fastest-suv

[kozzi]

Originally Posted by Max Well

Agree, almost verbatim. Although I'm going to go out on a limb as one of the few who actually hopes the ZCP comes in at a minimum $15-20K above the M40i and more level with the SVR's MSRP. For the quality of components desired in the X3M, I'm hoping they don't cut corners to force it into a lesser price point, at least not with the Comp edition. Not that I want to spend more, but if I'm going down the 'bucket list' path with this one I really do hope it is something special and allows us to get a sense of all the heritage and history which M represents.

For those still confused about what the Performance SUV/SAV field is all about, there is the pending Lister Lightning stirring up the mix even more: https://lister.com/blog/lister-worlds-fastest-suv

Good point on the X3M ZCP. IMO,it will fall just under @$86K loaded. That alone should justify BMW bringing the performance to bear on the competition...specifically the SVR.

BMW has had a good head start on the Stelvio QV, GLC AMG 63(S) and even the new incoming Macan Turbo (estimated at @460HP). No idea if there will be a PP version approaching the 500HP mark. X3M ZCP should be faster / on par with these. IMO, better tech and the ability to haul more is already a given.

The Lister LFP is approaching the realm of the Lamborghini Urus (@$200K-$250K) and at that price point, I don't see how BMW could compete. No way the 0-60 MPH mark on the SVR and LFP are at 4.1s and 3.5s respectively. Would be interesting to see if you could calculate their 0-60 MPH and top speed.

[Max Well]

Originally Posted by kozzi

Good point on the X3M ZCP. IMO,it will fall just under @$86K loaded. That alone should justify BMW bringing the performance to bear on the competition...specifically the SVR. BMW has had a good head start on the Stelvio QV, GLC AMG 63(S) and even the new incoming Macan Turbo (estimated at @460HP). No idea if there will be a PP version approaching the 500HP mark. X3M ZCP should be faster / on par with these. IMO, better tech and the ability to haul more is already a given. The Lister LFP is approaching the realm of the Lamborghini Urus (@$200K-$250K) and at that price point, I don't see how BMW could compete. No way the 0-60 MPH mark on the SVR and LFP are at 4.1s and 3.5s respectively. Would be interesting to see if you could calculate their 0-60 MPH and top speed.

Agree once again (but still wouldn't mind seeing a higher price point for the ZCP if it is needed by the team to produce a competitive product). Interesting to see how the finer points of design and engineering will start to separate this growing field. Granted Prestige Mnfrs can afford to select the finest components and materials so the 'mainstream' Performance brands (BMW, MB, Porsche) won't directly compete, but the thought process involved in design and engineering should remain the same - just more financial constraints placed on the others. Ferrari's Purosangue, Aston Martin's Varekai, Liston's LFP, and Lamborghini's Urus aim for a different market, but no doubt the others are trying to find ways to maximize performance and dynamics. And it isn't about brute force - simply inserting a more powerful engine doesn't do justice to the resources (human and machine) these teams have at their disposal. The future will also be about lightweight composites and lowering the Wt/HP ratio, and Lister's webpage actually mentions the 'extensive use of carbon fibre' in that regards IIRC. And also how to diminish drag and improve aerodynamics. Also found interesting the hood exhaust discussed in the SVR Designer's discussion, which facilitates lessening engine compartment positive pressures and lift, and how they use the vents behind the front wheels not for decreasing wheel well turbulence but rather to vent the engine compartment. Alfa is also using hood vents, and it seems likely the vents to the fore upper portion of the Urus are also doing such, so it'll be interesting to see how BMW manages that airflow.

The X3/4 will be (should be) the Flagships for BMW's M-SUV platforms - hopefully they will hit their marks.