[Dr_Dirt]

At the risk of posting a repost, I just found this on the BMWUSA website, it sounds like BMW is bringing over 5 diesel motors as well...

http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...n/Default.aspx

For the first time, 7-speed sports automatic transmission with double
clutch for the models BMW 335i Coupé and BMW 335i Convertible. The
world’s first 7-speed double clutch transmission designed for high performance
engines, shifting without interruption of traction for unequalled
dynamic acceleration, optionally automated or manual, unique
combination of the comfort of an automatic transmission with maximum
dynamic performance, further optimised acceleration and fuel
consumption figures.

[5soko]

def gonna be cool. but its gonna be slower then the M3's tranny and i cant see it being that much faster then the current 335i tranny. so what is the advantage? launch control, which wouldnt yeild anything since this is a FI motor and likes to boost for launches.

[sajakh]

It will come first in Europe for 2009 then MAYBE in USA for 2010 when the mid cycle refrsh comes for e92/e93 models.

[stressdoc]

Originally Posted by sajakh

It will come first in Europe for 2009 then MAYBE in USA for 2010 when the mid cycle refrsh comes for e92/e93 models.

That is what I am hearing too. I am holding onto my suspicions about a tii with DCT optional for mid-year release.

[RiXst3r]

Interesting that they announce a transmission that will only be offered in the coupe and the vert in a press release about the 2009 sedan... weird.

[e90AW335i]

Originally Posted by RiXst3r

Interesting that they announce a transmission that will only be offered in the coupe and the vert in a press release about the 2009 sedan... weird.

Sedans FTW!!!!

[sflgator]

1. This is a press release from BMWUSA...if it wasn't going to be offered in the BMW 335i's in the USA, then this wouldn't be a BMWUSA Press Release; it would be from BMW in Germany.

2. I will have the DCT tranny in my next 335i.

[SHOTGUN]

Originally Posted by 5soko335i

launch control, which wouldnt yeild anything since this is a FI motor and likes to boost for launches.

not true. dsg gti's are much faster than non dsg gti's.
this is dsg vs manual.

[Tobias1980]

The most important question is how much torque the new DCT tranny can handle? M3 has 300 lb/ft just like X35i, will DTC handle a 50% increase of torque? I doubt that since there is no cars except Veyron that huge torque.

Volvo has recently introduced this teqnology with a gearbox from Borg-Warner, this gearbox takes max 300 lb/ft torque.

Wolkswagen (Audi) has not introduced this gearbox in high torque cars, like big diesels.

Porsche has not introduced this to 911 Turbo, only 911 S.

BR
/Tobias

[SHOTGUN]

Originally Posted by Tobias1980

The most important question is how much torque the new DCT tranny can handle? M3 has 300 lb/ft just like X35i, will DTC handle a 50% increase of torque? I doubt that since there is no cars except Veyron that huge torque.

Volvo has recently introduced this teqnology with a gearbox from Borg-Warner, this gearbox takes max 300 lb/ft torque.

Wolkswagen (Audi) has not introduced this gearbox in high torque cars, like big diesels.

Porsche has not introduced this to 911 Turbo, only 911 S.

BR
/Tobias

if its anything like the dsg tranny in the vw/audi it should be able to handle
over 350 lb of torque.
stage 3 vw/audi with stock dct trans are over 400hp and 370 lb torque
apr stage 3 kit with dsg can hadle more than 350 lb of torque

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3883978

[Sparky66]

442 lbft to be exact.......
See document below for excerpt from brochure :"For the first time it is now possible to make the benefits of the double clutch transmission available at high levels of output and in combination with rear-wheel drive and engines with increased engine speeds. The sports automatic transmission with double clutch is designed for engine speeds of up to 9,000 rpm and torque levels of up to 600 Nm (442 lbft) and is therefore ideally suited to the character of the high-revving in-line 6-cylinder engines of BMW".



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[///AFRO]

Intresting

[Tobias1980]

Originally Posted by Sparky66

442 lbft to be exact.......
See document below for excerpt from brochure :"For the first time it is now possible to make the benefits of the double clutch transmission available at high levels of output and in combination with rear-wheel drive and engines with increased engine speeds. The sports automatic transmission with double clutch is designed for engine speeds of up to 9,000 rpm and torque levels of up to 600 Nm (442 lbft) and is therefore ideally suited to the character of the high-revving in-line 6-cylinder engines of BMW".



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Great, I guess torque up to 600Nm should not be a problem then!

[uuni]

Possible to retrofit?

[Sam12345]

whattt the fuckkkk

[judec]

great news. thx for posting. U was the first, U're the best!

[RiXst3r]

Originally Posted by e90AW335i

Sedans FTW!!!!

It says right in the press release, this transmission will ONLY be in the coupe and vert, NOT the sedan... soo.... ummm sedans FTL?

That kinda sucks though, because I love the look of the facelifted sedan, why would they not put the new tranny in the new sedan that the press release is about?????????????

-Rick

[RiXst3r]

Did anyone else notice that this press release also confirms the new I-Drive system?

Premiere for the new generation of the operating concept BMW iDrive.
The operating system BMW iDrive is optionally available in the new
BMW 3 Series for the activation and control of entertainment, information,
navigation and telecommunications functions, whether standard or
optional. The new generation of iDrive is available in conjunction with the
optional navigation system Professional. What is more, the new iDrive
supports multi-mode operation by voice entry. With the new iDrive
generation, BMW extends its lead over comparable systems made by other
manufacturers in terms of display quality and intuitive operation. Using the
four direct selection buttons grouped around the Controller, it is especially
easy to switch spontaneously between CD, radio, telephone and navigation
functions. The functional bookmarks are supplemented with three control
buttons.

Control Display with high-resolution graphics and variable layout.
The new iDrive in the BMW 3 Series is presented with a 8.8 inch Control
Display whose dimensions surpass all graphic displays available to date in
the automobile field. With its high image resolution it offers significant
improve-ment in the display of detailed graphics. The structure of the user
menu
also makes it easier to locate desired functions. All functions controllable by
iDrive are listed in the starter menu.
Hard drive for audio files and navigation system.
The features of the navigation system Professional include a hard drive
integrated in the vehicle. The storage medium with a capacity of 80 GB
provides outstandingly fast access to digital maps for navigation purposes
and can also be used for an extensive collection of music files. The system
enables music files to be transferred to the hard drive from a CD, MP3 player
or USB stick.
World premiere for unlimited internet use inside the vehicle.
BMW ConnectedDrive makes BMW the first automobile manufacturer in the
world to enable unlimited use of the internet inside the vehicle when
stationary. Internet access is available for the new BMW 3 Series as a
special equip- ment option at attractive flat-rate conditions. The transfer of data is based on
EDGE technology (Enhanced Data Rates for GSM Evolution), which unlike
UMTS offers full geographical coverage and is three to four times faster than
the mobile phone standard GPRS. The basis for internet use in the vehicle is
provided by the further developed functions of iDrive. By pushing the
Controller in different directions, the mouse can be moved across the web
page shown
in the Control Display.

-Rick

[5soko]

Originally Posted by SHOTGUN

not true. dsg gti's are much faster than non dsg gti's.
this is dsg vs manual.

the 335i ZF AT 6 speed tranny is one of the best on the market.. it alone is better then its MT brother at the moment. so other then offering a extra gear, i dont see what the advantages are unless its super faster, which im gonna guess it wont be because it gonna be slower then the M3's version which will put the DCT 335i tranny at the same speed as the 335i ZF AT tranny.

i guess extra gear FTW?

[5soko]

o yea FWIW, all the info other then was is stated on BMWUSA main page of furture models is from the PDF link on the bottom which is the INTERNATIONAL press release kit, meaning it deals with everything that will be available everywhere, so we cant say other then the face lift e90 coming this fall and the idrive that will be coming, what will come to the US and what wont come here.

"Until then, explore the International Press Kit. Note: the European models includes slight variations from those that will be available in the U.S. The U.S. press release is coming soon"


i guess we will wait until then.

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by 5soko335i

the 335i ZF AT 6 speed tranny is one of the best on the market.. it alone is better then its MT brother at the moment. so other then offering a extra gear, i dont see what the advantages are unless its super faster, which im gonna guess it wont be because it gonna be slower then the M3's version which will put the DCT 335i tranny at the same speed as the 335i ZF AT tranny.

i guess extra gear FTW?

It's true that the 335's ZF 6AT tranny is awesome and super fast, shifting in 100ms, but I bet the DCT 7-gear dual clutch tranny will be even faster and be able to handle more TQ (I believe the press release even mentioned the TQ capabilities).

[BavarianBullet]

I wouldn't get too hung up on torque capability list by the OEMs. Sure they matter but there are plenty of transmissions holding way more power than the car+tranny were originally intended to deal with.

As long as we're racing on street tires or drag radials w/RWD cars and not doing something like rev limiter launches with AWD or slicks, it's kinda unlikely something will break at the current power levels IMO.

I'm amazed the manual trans 335s run as well as they do because the shifters are such a POS and the automatics are really nice. My 2008 335xi is a manual and I can't wait to put a real shifter on it.

I'd love to see a sequential manual in a 335 and not just the M3. Given the other (non-BMW) cars that have them, it's probably a matter of time.