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      02-17-2019, 01:19 PM   #1
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First impressions from G20 330i RWD test drive

This car is almost E39 5-series size, in fact the wheelbase and widths are more than E39:

G20/E39
length 185.7-in/188-in
wheelbase 112.2-in/111.4-in
front wheel to wheel 62.3-in/59.5-in
rear wheel to wheel 62.9-in/59.6-in
front headroom 38.7-in/same
rear headroom 37.6-in/same
front shoulder 56-in/58-in
rear shoulder 54.6-in/56.5-in

The interior dash is upscale, a bit too much silver, but very functional.

The driver cockpit is not tilted, yet feels quite spacious, not as cramped as F30(which has the same shoulder room as G20).

The standard non-M sport steering wheel feels great.

The drive was probably 7 miles, around 5 miles on fwy and 2 miles local.

This G20 B48 + ZF 8AT pulled like an old school I6 N/A without NVH, maybe the piped I6 sound masks it off. The acceleration was linear and competent, virtually zeto turbo lag, and the car quickly merged to left-most lane@70+mph.

The steering was light and precise. There was not much road feel but you pointed the car went as instructed.

I did go on my favorite 270-degree cloverleaf connector flyer, and the car held the curve just like oil school E46, with E39 comfort and competence, and barely any body roll.

There are lots of other tech and features on the car but I did not pay attention. The iDrive screen now sits low almost flush to dashboard, and I like that.

This car will sell well, just like the new X3.

Currently 15k/yr residual is 50%! And loyalty/fleet are non-stackable!
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This car will sell well, just like the new X3.

Currently 15k/yr residual is 50%! And loyalty/fleet are non-stackable!
Won’t sell well with 50% residual.
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Won’t sell well with 50% residual.
Won't rent well , will still sell
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Won’t sell well with 50% residual.
F30 came out with similar RV too.

Market will self adjust so just wait for improved RV, or just pay cash/finance and buy-and-hold for 10-12 years.
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Won't rent well , will still sell
Right...will be the volume leader in NA, and the lease incentive budget will be unleashed by BMWNA/BMWFS as needed.
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Right...will be the volume leader in NA, and the lease incentive budget will be unleashed by BMWNA/BMWFS as needed.
Yes BMWNA/BMWFS will roll out regional incentives for Group F's, probably by Q4 for 2020.
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Yes BMWNA/BMWFS will roll out regional incentives for Group F's, probably by Q4 for 2020.
Right again and as soon as days supply on G starts to build they will incentivize leasing again. From the days when I planned vehicle programs, we had a full product cycle incentive plan for retail and lease built into the business case from before launch. We knew what we planned to spend on consumer/dealer cash and subventing leases in year 5 before the first new unit hit shipping. Of course, much of that planning went up in smoke when actual market conditions were happening. But, for now, it's just a matter of patience and not needing to be "first on the block".
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It will be a complete disaster with those residuals. It won't sell well, because generally no one buys BMW 3 Series, they are almost always leases.
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It will be a complete disaster with those residuals. It won't sell well, because generally no one buys BMW 3 Series, they are almost always leases.
It depends on the market, e.g. local dealers probably have 50-60% leases on 3-series.

The lack of lease support will redirect local consumers(in a massive employment hub) to purchase the cars.
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It depends on the market, e.g. local dealers probably have 50-60% leases on 3-series.

The lack of lease support will redirect local consumers(in a massive employment hub) to purchase the cars.
Uh no, BMW isn't the only game town. There are plenty of other players like Audi, Mercedes, Lexus, etc.
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Uh no, BMW isn't the only game town. There are plenty of other players like Audi, Mercedes, Lexus, etc.
That is true, hence the comment of market self adjusts.

When dealer lots have hundreds of G20's(just like F30's in past years) the regional incentives will kick in.
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Not sure where OP got his residual quote.... BMW is currently at 57% for 15k miles and a 2k loyalty credit. Check the official lease thread sticky in the ordering section - https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1571094
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Not sure where OP got his residual quote.... BMW is currently at 57% for 15k miles and a 2k loyalty credit. Check the official lease thread sticky in the ordering section.
The CA quoted 50% 2 days ago. This morning though our local incentive is 1k loyalty/conquest and 60% 10k miles.
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The CA quoted 50% 2 days ago. This morning though our local incentive is 1k loyalty/conquest and 60% 10k miles.
That's wrong. This month's residuals are: https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1571094
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That's wrong. This month's residuals are: https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1571094
Our local lease deal says this, 60% 10k and $1k loyalty/conquest, with $846 dealer participation. 12k and 15k should be the standard -1% and -3% RV.

https://www.bmwusa.com/special-offer...l-offers-legal

EDIT: also tried a boston zip code, and the loyalty/conquest is also just $1k, so which market has $2k incentive right now?

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It will be a complete disaster with those residuals. It won't sell well, because generally no one buys BMW 3 Series, they are almost always leases.
It means now that people that can comfortably afford them will buy them. The days of fake leases with astronomically inflated residuals aren long gone.
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It depends on the market, e.g. local dealers probably have 50-60% leases on 3-series.

The lack of lease support will redirect local consumers(in a massive employment hub) to purchase the cars.
Uh no, BMW isn't the only game town. There are plenty of other players like Audi, Mercedes, Lexus, etc.
That may be it, but all of their current offerings are aging models and none as new as the G20.
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It means now that people that can comfortably afford them will buy them. The days of fake leases with astronomically inflated residuals aren long gone.
100% agreed. Too many people are driving these who shouldn't and only made possible by generous BMWNA lease programs
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Not sure where OP got his residual quote.... BMW is currently at 57% for 15k miles and a 2k loyalty credit. Check the official lease thread sticky in the ordering section.
The CA quoted 50% 2 days ago. This morning though our local incentive is 1k loyalty/conquest and 60% 10k miles.
24mos lease?
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24mos lease?
Post#15's link of bmwusa lease offer is 36-month, 60% RV, for 10k/yr(30k total). The numbers can be plugged into lease calculator to compute MF.

Another CA replied to my inquiries and confirmed loyalty credit is $2k this month(so bmwusa is inaccurate).

BTW, loyalty credit can be stacked with BMWFS finance incentive of $1k.

If one can get invoice + $500, minus $3k incentives, on a MSRP $50k car, that should be $5500-$6000 off, not bad.
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OK a 330i RWD base(sport) +leather invoice is $40675.

So invoice + $500 - $3000(BMWFS finance + loyalty) = $38275, then add tax + fee, so around $42k out the door. That is $5270 off MSRP, on a spanking new model.

Do you guys think a G20 330i RWD base(sport) + leather at $42k out the door will not sell well against other current gen Audi/MB/Lexus?

At that price it may even grab some Model 3 market share(esp. around here many don't qualify for CA EV incentives).
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100% agreed. Too many people are driving these who shouldn't and only made possible by generous BMWNA lease programs
I disagree with your comment, its not that people "shouldn't" be driving them, that sounds borderline elitist. BMW wanted to win the sales crown and have attractive lease rates and people used that to their advantage. Now that rates have stabilized and the economy has driven MF's up, people will be less likely to be return customers.
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