[tobefair-idontcare]

Gents, if I were to purchase one of the new tunes coming out for the B58, and through research have narrowed it to one of the two tuners in the title, which then would you recommend and why? I’m not too worried about the dollar amount since the tunes are comparable in price enough to not factor that into the equation. I’m looking for a Stage 2 Tune and a transmission tune with it (I know BM3 doesn’t have a trans tune yet). The only mods will be MPPSK and intake. Things I’m looking for: reliability, performance, safety and smoothness. I’ll take any opinions or experience you are willing to share. Thanks.

[David0ff]

Personal Experience, MG Flasher stage 2 custom tune for 8 speed, 91/93 tune
Smooth, Strong, Consistent, cant go wrong with it

[BrianML]

Originally Posted by David0ff

Personal Experience, MG Flasher stage 2 custom tune for 8 speed, 91/93 tune
Smooth, Strong, Consistent, cant go wrong with it

Except Jarek@JRAuto has yet to answer questions related to this tune to several of us via PM. Would love to spend my money, but they’re not selling me on customer service. Based only on interactions during discovery, it seems like proTUNING Freaks have all bases covered.

[David0ff]

Originally Posted by BrianML

Except Jarek@JRAuto has yet to answer questions related to this tune to several of us via PM. Would love to spend my money, but they're not selling me on customer service. Based only on interactions during discovery, it seems like proTUNING Freaks have all bases covered.

Try Jarek, MG Flasher on FB messenger he's super responsive

[GT500R]

Originally Posted by tobefair-idontcare

Gents, if I were to purchase one of the new tunes coming out for the B58, and through research have narrowed it to one of the two tuners in the title, which then would you recommend and why? I’m not too worried about the dollar amount since the tunes are comparable in price enough to not factor that into the equation. I’m looking for a Stage 2 Tune and a transmission tune with it (I know BM3 doesn’t have a trans tune yet). The only mods will be MPPSK and intake. Things I’m looking for: reliability, performance, safety and smoothness. I’ll take any opinions or experience you are willing to share. Thanks.

I would say both tunes are reliable, MP adds more knock protection to the tune. BM3 runs less boost. I know BM3 had 1 motor blow but I don't think you can contribute that to the tune, it sounds like the owner wasn't running the right set up.

Performance - I don't know of any BM3 1/4 mile times yet... or MP times other then myself and my X3, so undetermined.

Safety - same as reliability?

Smoothness - both will be smooth, they are flash tunes, anything better then JB4.

My experience - MP Tune with 15k+ miles on a 100% stock B58 and 0 issues. Multiple times down the track and a lot of feelings hurt. Even better upgrade was the trans tune, lowered my 60' and helped a lot with shift speed.

[kern417]

Both will be great but BM3 will have more activity and aftermarket support if you choose to go custom down the road. They've already updated the OTS tunes twice since release and they are constantly jumping on requests from users.

If you decide to go with MP anyway, at least wait for the price to drop. I heard it's coming down closer to the BM3 pricepoint.

[chenry]

Originally Posted by GT500R

My experience - MP Tune with 15k+ miles on a 100% stock B58 and 0 issues. Multiple times down the track and a lot of feelings hurt. Even better upgrade was the trans tune, lowered my 60' and helped a lot with shift speed.

I'll echo this - 10k really hard miles (AutoX etc) on mine and hasn't skipped a beat. Smooth linear power delivery (as you would expect from most flashes). I like the fact that Alex is cautious with his approach to his tunes and doesn't chase dyno numbers, he places safety/reliability above the former. I also enjoy being able to drop substandard crap gas in the tank anytime I want without concern.

So you know where I am coming from:
My first "tuned" car was a 1985 528E that we sent the ECU to Dinan to have a new "chip" soldered in (yeah you can imagine how little that did). I've had many many tuned cars/trucks etc since then (30ish) so I bring a certain amount of experience (my own-i do not pretend to be anything close to an expert-just been around the block a few times) to the table when I look at things, and I am impressed by all things relative to the product that Alex is delivering.

For me it has proven to be a well sorted, well thought out offering that checks all the boxes.

Note:
This is not a "vs BM3" response - simply my experience with my MP tune

[eric97h]

Bm3 is the god of custom tuning because of its custom tuners and its platform but if you want a trans flash mp will be better I doubt bm3 gonna have that for a decent while but the bm3 ots naps have barley released they are slowly gonna update and keep getting better each and every update is smoother and faster right now

[GT500R]

Regardless of what you choose I thoroughly enjoy no pissing matches here saying x tune is better then y tune like the Ford Forums... what a hateful group that was.

Either tune will be great in the end.

[chenry]

Originally Posted by GT500R

Regardless of what you choose I thoroughly enjoy no pissing matches here saying x tune is better then y tune like the Ford Forums... what a hateful group that was.

Either tune will be great in the end.

+1

[j1980mac]

Originally Posted by GT500R

Regardless of what you choose I thoroughly enjoy no pissing matches here saying x tune is better then y tune like the Ford Forums... what a hateful group that was.

Either tune will be great in the end.

Dude. SHO Ecoboost forums are brutal, no lie!

[Antec800]

Don’t forget about mhd the e30 stage 2 they have is brutally fast

[Nugget]

Both tunes will make similar power.
BM3 customer service is much better and being able to choose your own options (cold start, burbles etc) when flashing and being able log are huge pluses for me.

[eluded]

Originally Posted by GT500R

Multiple times down the track and a lot of feelings hurt.

[kern417]

Originally Posted by GT500R

Regardless of what you choose I thoroughly enjoy no pissing matches here saying x tune is better then y tune like the Ford Forums... what a hateful group that was.

Either tune will be great in the end.

I'm actually surprised this thread didn't go downhill fast lol. But it's true, 99% of people pick a tune and stick with it if it doesn't have any issues, and the only thing I see people switching from is JB4. All of the flash tunes have mostly satisfied customers so all we can really comment on is why we chose what we did.

[marcthedark]

Both will be very similar from the drivers' seat. The real difference is that
a) MP can be paired with the MP trans flash (BM can be paired too but as it wasn't developed together the results could be worse)
b) BM has more areas to tinker with (cold start, burble, .... ) if that is important for you

Still surprised no US tuner came out with the ability to flash different maps/settings for comfort/sport/sport+

[tobefair-idontcare]

Can’t thank you guys enough. I’m leaning towards MP based on their track record. They seem to have been the first to market and have a history of performance and proven reliability on the platform and they already have the trans tune out with good reviews. Any other experiences or opinions are still welcome, I’ll probably wait another two weeks before I go through the process. Just as an FYI, MPs Tune is on discount for 30% right now on their site.

[Vinnie Stix]

Had my car flashed about 15000 miles ago to stage 2. Have a VRSF Catless DP and Dinan CF Intake. Had the Trans flashed about 4000 miles ago which included a bump to 2.5 ECU tune. Alex has answered the phone every time I called but had been slow in the past to emails. However, he did respond nearly immediately via email when I asked about new plugs and gapping. He said even though I live in the NE and have access to 93 octane fuel it would still be a good idea to gap my plugs to 0.022. He related that the tune will only get better. I have had zero issues with the tune so far. Have had the car serviced under warranty twice and no issues. Car has been running great and is fast as hell pulling hard in every gear. Getting new plugs installed on Thursday at my friends shop. Can't imagine the car running better but I've read posts from others who are quite happy with the change. BM3 seems to be outstanding from all the posts I have read. My experience with MP has also been top notch and I would certainly recommend MP based on the 15000 miles I have driven. Hope this helps!

[MTWO]

I’ve run BM3 on my car for over 20k miles. Each and every revision was an improvement over the next and guys kept adding features without additional cost. Their customer service is second to none and they already did some impressive things with the B58 in like two weeks they’ve been out if that including a 700+ whp big turbo B58 and latest OTS maps that are running incredible numbers. Their track record with other platforms and thousands of cars all over they work with speaks volumes. I have nothing bad to say about MP as I never ran or had any interaction with that company but its a bit apples to oranges as bm3 offers custom tuning with any tuner and mobile apps as well as laptop more like a full on platform to do whatever you like with your car tuning wise compared to others out there.

[track.n.trail]

Originally Posted by tobefair-idontcare

I’m leaning towards MP based on their track record

I think MP and BM3 are both great options but I do see lots of posts like this.

People seem to forget that PTF have been tuning cars with their BM3 platform for years because they've only recently released their B58 tune. Between M2/M3/M4/M5/M6 etc they've probably tuned thousands of M cars along with many non-m's.

I look forward to the ability to tweak things like cold start/burble and have 3rd party tuners create custom tunes for me via BM3.

[G.Newt]

I wasn't comfortable plunking down $1k for a tune that I couldn't log, reflash/switch maps, user-controlled toggles (cold start, burbles, etc), or allowed custom tuning via its platform.

Both the flash tunes themselves are great. And MP might have the edge here with their trans flash and ECU 2.5 (which is a BIG moot point for us 6MT guys).

MP has since lowered their pricing to be more competitive and they were first to market so had more time to make things smoother and refined.

No regrets going with BM3. I really liked building my DIY OBD agent for cheap and PTF provides that OS for free.

Not bashing or praising either. Again, they're both great, and so is MG from what I've heard (and their features closely resemble BM3, just without the huge aftermarket custom tuning support and network). Just laying down what led me to make my decision. You can't go wrong whichever one you choose tbh

I forgot to mention: 30 second map switches and 3 minute initial unlock and flash. No other tuning platform can claim this but BM3. That's a big convenient feature, because I can switch maps quickly without having to worry about using a battery tender.

[mike@x-ph.com]

Bootmod3 is the best tune with unparalleled features, support and flexibility