335i owners: Anyone own an '07 (or early '08) with under 15k miles?

iScream · 08-20-2008, 10:38 AM

I'm starting this topic for two reasons:

1. As a WARNING to 335i owners who may not be aware that their next repair or even 15k mile service could degrade the way their car drives.

2. To ask owners of such vehicles to post here and let us know your location, if you are interested in helping us solve this problem.

If you have not seen it already, there is a mammoth thread about the "29.2" software update, which YOU might get the next time BMW services your car. For many people, this software introduces the aggravating feeling of turbo lag, and almost nobody is having any luck in getting it fixed.

There's more to it than this, but basically if you have a car built and delivered TO YOU before March '08 that has never been serviced, then you probably don't have the 29.2 problem [yet].

If you are interested in feeling the lag before your car catches it, and/or hopefully in cooperating with a local 29.2 sufferer to help fix the problem, then please post here.

TIA!

noro · 08-20-2008, 11:00 AM

All I can say that this is a good opportunity to do your maintenance. I have 07 car. It has never been to the dealer, it has 15 miles now. I do my own oil changes which in retrospect cost me $50 but I can do it at the comfort of my own home. The 15K service is total BS, and the 30K service is something that most people can do themselves. So unless something horrible happens to the car it will not have dealer mechanics fiddling with it, which is nice because I love my pre 29.2 software

Good luck to those with a 29.2 flash, I am sure eventually this will get resolved, seems like there are A LOT of complaints.

Turkishexpress · 08-20-2008, 11:10 AM

Mine was built in Feb 2008 but I bought it on July 31st. I only have about 900miles on the odo right now. Do you guys think I have the pre or post software?

bluescoupe · 08-20-2008, 11:21 AM

Mine built 8/07. Went to dealer for oil change ONLY at 16K (changed myself previous). No reflash yet.
Now what?

btinl · 08-20-2008, 11:23 AM

I have a 07 335xi with 9000 mi. I'll be sure not to let them change the software.

iScream · 08-20-2008, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turkishexpress

Mine was built in Feb 2008 but I bought it on July 31st. I only have about 900miles on the odo right now. Do you guys think I have the pre or post software?

Because some dealerships will update the cars on their lot, it's tough to say for sure without actually getting your service department to tell you the version.

However, you can read all about the different clues in the other thread. Basically, at 2k RPM, if you can almost count to 2 between the time you floor the gas pedal and the time the extra boost kicks in, then it's very possible you have The Lag.

This would be for 6MT only, or manual mode automatic, although the automatic drives a little differently than the 6MT, even in M mode.

John 070 · 08-20-2008, 11:44 AM

I've got a 11/06 build, 7k on the odometer, and been to the dealer only for an oil change at 1,600......

iScream · 08-20-2008, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluescoupe

Mine built 8/07. Went to dealer for oil change ONLY at 16K (changed myself previous). No reflash yet.
Now what?

If you're sure they did not reflash it (i.e. they did not have the car for more than an hour or two) then just let them know that you do NOT want a software update every time you bring the car in. According to posters on the other thread, the service departments are finding all kinds of reasons to install v29.2 or v30 (which does not fix the problem either). Unless you have an issue that REQUIRES the software update, avoid it.

Also, to all, when you post here, please post your general geographic location, if you don't mind. Or, if you don't want to publicize your location, look in the Check-In Thread for someone near you and PM them to see if they would like to compare your cars.

Bluescoupe, I checked for you, and unfortunately it doesn't look like we have any 29.2 sufferers from Florida yet.

EastCoast335i · 08-20-2008, 12:12 PM

I'm pre 29.2 and will soon be going in for the annual oil change...

Couldn't i just request/demand that the car is running perfectly and to not upgrade the program????

hotrod2448 · 08-20-2008, 12:13 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong but, aren't they only reflashing cars if they are having an issue with something that could be fixed by a Progman update? As in if you are going in for routine service you are probably fine. Or has that changed and they are now to flash all cars with this updated software as a preventative step for fuel pump and wastegate issues?

I had mine in two weeks ago for something non software driven to be fixed and didn't receive any software updates.

We definitely do not want to spread undo paranoia. I know...I know, what will use the internet for now...I guess it's only for porn and shopping again.

bluescoupe · 08-20-2008, 12:29 PM

Would the ecu "update" be shown on the work ticket?

Prof3ssor · 08-20-2008, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hotrod2448

Correct me if I'm wrong but, aren't they only reflashing cars if they are having an issue with something that could be fixed by a Progman update? As in if you are going in for routine service you are probably fine. Or has that changed and they are now to flash all cars with this updated software as a preventative step for fuel pump and wastegate issues?

I had mine in two weeks ago for something non software driven to be fixed and didn't receive any software updates.

We definitely do not want to spread undo paranoia. I know...I know, what will use the internet for now...I guess it's only for porn and shopping again.

Nope...I had a headlight out and decided to stop by the dealership after work. They called and said they needed to keep the car for the night. This was several weeks ago right when I got the car and had no idea this forum board even existed. Needless to say when I picked my car up they told me they upgraded the software as this is standard BMW policy. So, be careful out there. Oh and btw my car sucks now!!!

noro · 08-20-2008, 01:40 PM

I really wish I could try out a v29.2 car, I guess I could go test drive a 335i at the dealer right?

tryangles · 08-20-2008, 01:45 PM

I've had my car since 10/07 and do not have the 29.2 patch. I will probably am heading in for my 15k service at the end of the year. I've been to BMW service twice for separate issues and have stated that no ECU updates are to be performed and so far they have complied. I am here in LA so ask away if you have any questions.

danniexi · 08-20-2008, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prof3ssor

Nope...I had a headlight out and decided to stop by the dealership after work. They called and said they needed to keep the car for the night. This was several weeks ago right when I got the car and had no idea this forum board even existed. Needless to say when I picked my car up they told me they upgraded the software as this is standard BMW policy. So, be careful out there. Oh and btw my car sucks now!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by hotrod2448

Correct me if I'm wrong but, aren't they only reflashing cars if they are having an issue with something that could be fixed by a Progman update? As in if you are going in for routine service you are probably fine.

that's usually the case. the first time i went was because of bubbles on tires. no software updated. then i went in a month ago because of HPFP issue. the did the software update as well as a new fuel pump to resolve the issue. needless to say, its fixed, but i now have some lag as well.

but the software is not all bad. i also had issues with the headlights. i would ALWAYS stick it to Auto (left) but sometimes the corner lights and the adaptive headlights wouldnt work. i never meantioned this issue to the SA but after the software update the headlights have been working eveytime without fault. o well. price to pay. i havent had any issues since.

bubbletea 4 me · 08-20-2008, 01:51 PM

i've an 07 with 7500 miles.. I'm pretty sure my car doesn't have 29.2 but is keeping my eyes out for it since everyone hates it.

i'm thinking about just asking the SA to make sure they DO NOT update any type of software on my car when i do take it in for service. I'm in Northern VA.

can i just test drive an 08 and see how it feels diff? I'm assuming all the new cars have the new software update right?

Couch · 08-20-2008, 01:53 PM

Just because you take your car in for the 15K miles doesn't mean they're going to upgrade your computer.

I went in back in April and they didn't upgrade mine, just the oil change and whatever.

hotrod2448 · 08-20-2008, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prof3ssor

Nope...I had a headlight out and decided to stop by the dealership after work. They called and said they needed to keep the car for the night. This was several weeks ago right when I got the car and had no idea this forum board even existed. Needless to say when I picked my car up they told me they upgraded the software as this is standard BMW policy. So, be careful out there. Oh and btw my car sucks now!!!

That is not routine maintenance. As said above some things you think might not have any relation to software do throw a flag for a progman update.

TiAg335i · 08-20-2008, 02:05 PM

What RPM is the lag most noticeable? I don't know if I have 29.2 or not. I have a July 2006 build date..

munu · 08-20-2008, 02:05 PM

Is there any way to tell which software you have on the car?

I have a 10/06 built car (in florida) which I bought 2 months back. I took it to dealer about a month back for oil change and fuel pump recall. I don't see anything about the software update but I will double check. what should it say on your service statement, do I have to look for something specific.

Unfortunately I going to the dealer again tomorrow for some minor issues and I will make sure to tell him not to update the software. Can the service advisor check what software is on the car?

Thanks

ouiwoon · 08-20-2008, 02:11 PM

does this lag only affect stock cars?

is it noticeable if V3 is installed?

i have never been in for service since my pickup in january... so i dont have 29.2 or V81. does V3 or any other piggyback/flash nullify the lag?

David1 · 08-20-2008, 02:41 PM

All bmw's with the N54 motor will eventually be updated with the new software. There is an SIB to reflash the cars to recalibrate (to the most current progman) the oil sensor with production ranges from late 06 through april of 08 ish. Mine will be updated anyways since my 335 will be going in for the wastgate repair and the reflash is mandatory.

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noro Colonel 90 Rep 2,707 Posts Drives: '91 M3, '04 E46 ZHP, '72 2002 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Boston iTrader: (0)	All I can say that this is a good opportunity to do your maintenance. I have 07 car. It has never been to the dealer, it has 15 miles now. I do my own oil changes which in retrospect cost me $50 but I can do it at the comfort of my own home. The 15K service is total BS, and the 30K service is something that most people can do themselves. So unless something horrible happens to the car it will not have dealer mechanics fiddling with it, which is nice because I love my pre 29.2 software Good luck to those with a 29.2 flash, I am sure eventually this will get resolved, seems like there are A LOT of complaints. __________________ zhpregistry.net - ZHP stats and free classifieds.
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bluescoupe motorhead 57 Rep 465 Posts Drives: 2017 M2 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: west coast, FL iTrader: (0)	Mine built 8/07. Went to dealer for oil change ONLY at 16K (changed myself previous). No reflash yet. Now what?
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btinl First Lieutenant 11 Rep 382 Posts Drives: '15 F32, '14 F25 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bay Area, CA iTrader: (2)	I have a 07 335xi with 9000 mi. I'll be sure not to let them change the software.
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EastCoast335i Colonel 95 Rep 2,160 Posts Drives: 2015 X5 \| 2008 335i Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: NJ iTrader: (4)	I'm pre 29.2 and will soon be going in for the annual oil change... Couldn't i just request/demand that the car is running perfectly and to not upgrade the program????
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hotrod2448 grand poobah 254 Rep 2,253 Posts Drives: F80 M3, F10 535i Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Charlotte, NC iTrader: (0) Garage List 2011 335d [0.00]	Correct me if I'm wrong but, aren't they only reflashing cars if they are having an issue with something that could be fixed by a Progman update? As in if you are going in for routine service you are probably fine. Or has that changed and they are now to flash all cars with this updated software as a preventative step for fuel pump and wastegate issues? I had mine in two weeks ago for something non software driven to be fixed and didn't receive any software updates. We definitely do not want to spread undo paranoia. I know...I know, what will use the internet for now...I guess it's only for porn and shopping again.
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bluescoupe motorhead 57 Rep 465 Posts Drives: 2017 M2 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: west coast, FL iTrader: (0)	Would the ecu "update" be shown on the work ticket?
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noro Colonel 90 Rep 2,707 Posts Drives: '91 M3, '04 E46 ZHP, '72 2002 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Boston iTrader: (0)	I really wish I could try out a v29.2 car, I guess I could go test drive a 335i at the dealer right? __________________ zhpregistry.net - ZHP stats and free classifieds.
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tryangles LA Native 14 Rep 294 Posts Drives: 2018 X5 sdrive35i Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Los Angeles iTrader: (5)	I've had my car since 10/07 and do not have the 29.2 patch. I will probably am heading in for my 15k service at the end of the year. I've been to BMW service twice for separate issues and have stated that no ECU updates are to be performed and so far they have complied. I am here in LA so ask away if you have any questions.
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bubbletea 4 me Lieutenant Colonel 63 Rep 1,914 Posts Drives: Finally here Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Earth iTrader: (5)	i've an 07 with 7500 miles.. I'm pretty sure my car doesn't have 29.2 but is keeping my eyes out for it since everyone hates it. i'm thinking about just asking the SA to make sure they DO NOT update any type of software on my car when i do take it in for service. I'm in Northern VA. can i just test drive an 08 and see how it feels diff? I'm assuming all the new cars have the new software update right?
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Couch Colonel 142 Rep 2,900 Posts Drives: E92 335i Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Houston iTrader: (0) Garage List 2007 E92 335i [0.00]	Just because you take your car in for the 15K miles doesn't mean they're going to upgrade your computer. I went in back in April and they didn't upgrade mine, just the oil change and whatever.
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TiAg335i Trance Life 315 Rep 4,706 Posts Drives: 2007 E92 335i Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Long Island, NY iTrader: (4)	What RPM is the lag most noticeable? I don't know if I have 29.2 or not. I have a July 2006 build date..
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munu First Lieutenant 52 Rep 307 Posts Drives: 2014 F30 Msports Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Orlando, FL iTrader: (0)	Is there any way to tell which software you have on the car? I have a 10/06 built car (in florida) which I bought 2 months back. I took it to dealer about a month back for oil change and fuel pump recall. I don't see anything about the software update but I will double check. what should it say on your service statement, do I have to look for something specific. Unfortunately I going to the dealer again tomorrow for some minor issues and I will make sure to tell him not to update the software. Can the service advisor check what software is on the car? Thanks Last edited by munu; 08-20-2008 at 02:48 PM..
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ouiwoon New Member 0 Rep 11 Posts Drives: 335i Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: new england iTrader: (0)	does this lag only affect stock cars? is it noticeable if V3 is installed? i have never been in for service since my pickup in january... so i dont have 29.2 or V81. does V3 or any other piggyback/flash nullify the lag?
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David1 Brigadier General 814 Rep 3,953 Posts Drives: 09 E92 09 X5 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Columbus, OH iTrader: (1)	All bmw's with the N54 motor will eventually be updated with the new software. There is an SIB to reflash the cars to recalibrate (to the most current progman) the oil sensor with production ranges from late 06 through april of 08 ish. Mine will be updated anyways since my 335 will be going in for the wastgate repair and the reflash is mandatory.
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