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      01-24-2020, 08:07 PM   #1
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Buying a first year production G80 M3

I usually don't buy the first production year as I've always heard that it takes a year or so to figure out & resolve bugs & issues discovered during the first model year. Sometimes other enhancements are put in place year 2 onwards, and I've experienced that with my two most recent brand new BMWs.

What are your thoughts when it comes to the G80 M3? I'm running out of patience and don't want to wait much longer than early 2021 to get mine, but I have concerns about the early production cars. Do you feel that it's less likely for the first year production cars to have issues since the engine & transmission are already in the X3M/X4M, and other technology is already in place in the 3 series, and so on?
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I usually don't buy the first production year as I've always heard that it takes a year or so to figure out & resolve bugs & issues discovered during the first model year. Sometimes other enhancements are put in place year 2 onwards, and I've experienced that with my two most recent brand new BMWs.

What are your thoughts when it comes to the G80 M3? I'm running out of patience and don't want to wait much longer than early 2021 to get mine, but I have concerns about the early production cars. Do you feel that it's less likely for the first year production cars to have issues since the engine & transmission are already in the X3M/X4M, and other technology is already in place in the 3 series, and so on?
Never guaranteed to get a perfect car ... if you want to keep it 10 years then wait for at least the second year ... but then maybe you'll want to wait for an LCI or an LCI.2 or a GTS or CS or .....

I had a '15 then traded for a '16... mostly to get a manual but I convinced myself the updated tail lights and interior trim was also "way cooler" which is kinda silly. They do seem to make some little tweaks but again, that will never end so you should just get it when the time is right. Can always trade up.
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It's not like you don't have warranty and scared you need to pay for fixing it.

You can have last year model and have issues too
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It's not like you don't have warranty and scared you need to pay for fixing it.

You can have last year model and have issues too
Totally agree with you!!!!
I have 2018 M3 and had it in shop 3 times
Mine 2015 M3 was perfect.

And yes, why worry if you have warranty?
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Never guaranteed to get a perfect car ... if you want to keep it 10 years then wait for at least the second year ... but then maybe you'll want to wait for an LCI or an LCI.2 or a GTS or CS or .....

I had a '15 then traded for a '16... mostly to get a manual but I convinced myself the updated tail lights and interior trim was also "way cooler" which is kinda silly. They do seem to make some little tweaks but again, that will never end so you should just get it when the time is right. Can always trade up.
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It's not like you don't have warranty and scared you need to pay for fixing it.

You can have last year model and have issues too
Understand there are no guarantees, but trying to bounce my logic off of others and see if they agree the G80 is less likely to have issues during the first year of production mostly due to the drivetrain already being tested & proven.

In my view the bigger disadvantage of an early production G80 is going to be not getting a good deal ($). I don't care about LCI as that'll be longer than I can wait, smd honestly recent LCIs have seen minimal changes. All I need is an x drive competition model but I want to enjoy my M3 while they're still new in the market & rare.
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I had the first year production 2015 M4 and 84,000 miles later still never had a single issue. I wouldn't listen to those rumors. Either buy it or not. :
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Yes first year however, the engine is already in the X3 and X4 M and M Comp so hopefully those kinks getting worked out
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The time you spend waiting is undercut by the time people spend enjoying the car. Like someone else stated, you're never guaranteed to get a perfect car. I, along with many others, bought problem free M4's when they were first offered in late 2014 as MY 2015's; others have purchased problem riddled late MY cars. My '17 is as equally problem free as my '15 was. Everybody's mileage varies I suppose.
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Only reason I would wait for a later year is LCI other than that go for it.
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Having own double digit new BMWs it is my experience that M cars are built to a different standard and they are “fully baked” out of the gate. They are always released much later than the non M they are based upon meaning time to address pain points, more time to test etc. I’ve had a few early delivery and initially problematic BMWs including a lemon but never a problematic M car.

I have no reliability fear in ordering an M from the 1st allocations.

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I have owned 4 vehicles that were first year of production and I had no issues with any of them. This might have been an issues for cars made 20 years ago...
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Appreciate everyone's input This aligns with my thought process

I've had my F30 6 years now (still less than 40k miles) and it'll be 7.5 years by the time I can get into a G80. That's the longest I've ever kept a car so I'm not willing to wait much longer!
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Further there is nothing new of importance in the G80 as far as I know. The engine is from the X3M, the transmission and AWD system is from the M5. The technology is most likely also from the parts bin probably lifted from the G20.
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Further there is nothing new of importance in the G80 as far as I know. The engine is from the X3M, the transmission and AWD system is from the M5. The technology is most likely also from the parts bin probably lifted from the G20.
Yes that's what I said above and how I'm convincing myself that an early production G80 will be fine
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I will play devils advocate here, I had the first 2019 X5 sold in San Diego, it was purchased back by BMW due to electrical issues within 4 months. I also had a 2013 X5 that blew a piston through the bottom of the motor with 4K miles so maybe it is just my luck with X5's?

You are probably going to have a few more issues than the average, but that is what warranty is for and BMW has been awesome whenever I have had major problems.
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With the M car, not buying a first year worked in the past, but now is a different time. Because:

1) At that time when buying a "base" M car, you pretty much have the most fresh car throughout its generation. Now that BMW keeps adding variants every year with incremental yet very noticeable improvement. If the G80/82 is the right car (which is a big IF), I'd find the right variant, jump in and enjoy the heck of it "at its prime". Because it gets obsolete pretty quick anyway, either you wait or not. Can always trade up to something else.

2) BMWs are far more modular than ever. Your state of art S58 engine shares a huge amount of engineering with the pedestrian B48 even if they have 95% or more different parts (if you work in the plant you know slightest difference makes a new part number). The same goes to the chassis. G20/G80 and G30/F90 are much more similar than E90/E60 are. The M3/M4 is coming at a time of nearly full maturity of G platform given the past 5 years.

As a side note, please remember the G platform is still very traditional, nothing groundbreaking compared to F outside of design language. Very less things can go wrong outside of the engine. Toward the end of G's life circle, it will be the testing platform for the hybrid tech for the next gen. It has nothing to do so far with the M3/M4. Though adding 48V to the S58, which helps the low end response, would be very interesting.
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Further there is nothing new of importance in the G80 as far as I know. The engine is from the X3M, the transmission and AWD system is from the M5. The technology is most likely also from the parts bin probably lifted from the G20.
This is why it would be a good idea to keep an eye on the X3M forum going forward to see if anyone starts experiencing engine/transmission problems.
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I took delivery of my E90 M3 in March of 2008, the first month they were available in the US. I never had a problem that I could say was caused by the early build. The only thing that would prevent me from doing it again is that you're unlikely to get a great deal when you're the first kid on the block to have the cool new car. (On the other hand, with the new nose, who knows?)
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As far as the car goes, I'd assume the changes are minor and cosmetic.

Prior gen had changes to exterior lights, interior seatback lights, and I believe addition of carplay 1.5 years later (option for comp package as well, but that likely won't be an issue w a comp being offered year 1). Many were able to get significant discounts on the second model year as well. In LA it was not uncommon for dealers to be charging over MSRP first year. Second year 10%+ off could be negotiated with incentives.

If I were to speculate, if the grill really receives the anticipated reactions one of two things will happen. Either the front end trim is changed to make the grill look better (The M2 had different seats, mirrors, etc so I don't think this is too crazy that they add pieces or redesign the grill surrounds to make the size blend in better) , or the other possibility is the car is going to be offered at significantly larger discounts than they were for the 2016 F80s. It is possible that both of these could happen.

Car sales have been trending downwards, we have had the largest YOY decreases in the last few decades, even larger than the great recesssion. This has already happened, couple that with even a slight downturn in the economy , increased competition from competitors and you've got yourself a situation like Aston Martin currently has (an absurd amount of dealer inventory, and unheard of discounts).

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