335i rival: the new Audi S4, with a 3.0 supercharged V6. 333hp/440Nm

cstavaru · 10-19-2008, 03:25 PM

It seems that Audi is finally preparing a contender for BMW 335i: the new Audi S4 not only in terms of power but also in terms of emissions and mileage. The engine will be a supercharged 3.0L V6 with direct injection, developing 333hp and 440Nm.

http://www.easier.com/view/News/Moto...le-205837.html

Not bad, huh ?

And it's got a LSD (active sport differential) available as an option ! I think that BMW will start offering one too, soon...

The max torque is made between 2500 and 4850RPM...unlike BMW

Kev · 10-19-2008, 03:27 PM

Hmm..... the 2.0T loaded is almost as expensive as a 335i loaded, wonder how much would this thing costs......

I really dig the AVANT though

FotiosF90M5 · 10-19-2008, 03:36 PM

its funny because it should be the a4 competing with it.They need it to be an S model to keep up..lol. It should go against the m3. funny how much things have changed from when I had my 2000 s4.

hotrod2448 · 10-19-2008, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by fotios335i

its funny because it should be the a4 competing with it.They need it to be an S model to keep up..lol. It should go against the m3. funny how much things have changed from when I had my 2000 s4.

But then what would the RS4 compete with? BMW would have to make an M3 CSL for us.

I really wanted to love the outgoing S4 but, for the money it was no contest between it and the considerably cheaper better to drive 335. I hope the new S4 makes a more compelling argument for it's price range but, unless it's significantly lighter or cheaper I don't see how it could with essentially the same power as a 335.

Morpheus · 10-19-2008, 03:45 PM

I wonder if those things can be tuned? I guess you can change pullies on the supercharger.

Kev · 10-19-2008, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Morpheus

I wonder if those things can be tuned? I guess you can change pullies on the supercharger.

Pulleys, ECU, equal length long tube headers, exhaust, FMIC or other cooling upgrades, etc etc

asian010 · 10-19-2008, 04:07 PM

cant really compare bmw 3 series and audi 4 anymore cuz its a 3 car to 4 car thing.

Kev · 10-19-2008, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by fotios335i

its funny because it should be the a4 competing with it.They need it to be an S model to keep up..lol. It should go against the m3. funny how much things have changed from when I had my 2000 s4.

Not quite true. Audi has always intended the S4 to compete with the top model 3 and the RS4 with the M

NewSong · 10-19-2008, 04:25 PM

So do you guys think the new A4 will have a reliable high pressure fuel pump?

Year's_End · 10-19-2008, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Kev

Not quite true. Audi has always intended the S4 to compete with the top model 3 and the RS4 with the M

The B6 S4 competed directly with the e46 M3 when it came out.

This car is going to be hella expensive. I can't see it directly comparing with anything right now. It's in the niche between the 335i and M3, just like the S5.

E90330iS · 10-19-2008, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Kev

Not quite true. Audi has always intended the S4 to compete with the top model 3 and the RS4 with the M

when the last gen of S4 came out the top model of 3 series was still a 225HP 330i.

FotiosF90M5 · 10-19-2008, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Kev

Not quite true. Audi has always intended the S4 to compete with the top model 3 and the RS4 with the M

I have to disagree. when the s4 came out all the comparisons were against the aging e36 m3. Again the v8 s4 was always compare with the m3. Not until the 335i raged into the scene is it suddenly the competitor to the top 3 series.

AV9 · 10-19-2008, 05:06 PM

it's a 75k car, how can we compare it to the 335? maybe in terms of performance but as far price range? this should be versing the m3...

adamc514 · 10-19-2008, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by asian010

cant really compare bmw 3 series and audi 4 anymore cuz its a 3 car to 4 car thing.

huh?

so does that mean the Mercedes C-class does not compare because it is a letter and not a number? Oh wait, C is the 3rd letter in the alphabet...

I agree the S models are meant to compete with the top 3 series. The RS are meant to compete with the M. It is true, there was a time when the S and M cars competed directly, but that doesn't seem to be the case anymore, however, Audi's strange pricing scheme makes them not competitive. Their pricing and configurations have put them in an odd position in the market.

latebloomer · 10-19-2008, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by avzbmveh

it's a 75k car, how can we compare it to the 335? maybe in terms of performance but as far price range? this should be versing the m3...

What car are you talking about that is 75k? The base price for the rs4 is 66. The s4 will be priced around 50-55, which will be somewhat more than the 335xi. If you look at base prices, it seems that the s4 will be way out of the price range of a 335xi, which starts at ~42k but goes to the 50's quite easily when optioned out. If you compare to equally equipped vehicles, the s4 will most likely be priced around 55k-60k. Getting close to the m3 pricing.

There are somethings that the s4 has over the 335xi.
Objectively, the s-tronic is by far the best 7 speed dual clutch system available and the quattro system is by far better than bmws. It will get better mpg and perform better than a stock 335xi. We all know that a modded 335xi will destroy a s4, but there are always downsides to modding (voiding your warranty, etc.. etc.. )

Subjectively, I think the s4/a4 looks 1000x better than the e90 335 and the interior is so much better also.

The s4 should compete with the 335xi, but expect to pay more for the s4.

Bimmeration · 10-19-2008, 05:24 PM

an audi costing more than a bimmer???

asian010 · 10-19-2008, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by adamc514

huh?

so does that mean the Mercedes C-class does not compare because it is a letter and not a number? Oh wait, C is the 3rd letter in the alphabet...

im sorry but are you illiterate... i said it cant really be compared in the way how we compare lexus bmw and merc right now because the bmw 3, merc c, lexus is has 3 cars while the audi 4 has 4 cars. audi has 1 more car because the new a4 has a i4 turbocharged version while bmw and merc and lexus does not.

KevinO · 10-19-2008, 05:31 PM

Doesn't matter. All other things being equal, the Audi has the fugliest LED accents on the headlights I've ever seen. You couldn't pay me to drive it.

Minus those, it looks like a pretty nice car.

Mikewarlover · 10-19-2008, 05:43 PM

The new S4 is a very nice car but 335 is just too good for its price range.

que2k · 10-19-2008, 06:39 PM

The S4 is not in the same class.........plain and simple.

When I was shopping for my 335xi nothing could touch it for the price. I needed to get a $75K S4 to come close to it. (keep in mind I am in canada)

rubber_ducky · 10-19-2008, 07:27 PM

Off topic... I just flipped through 'Car' magazine. The cover story was the RS5. Looked hot as hell and has a turbo V8. But like this car, I'm afraid to see the price.

TwinTurboXI · 10-19-2008, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by late_boomer

There are somethings that the s4 has over the 335xi.
Objectively, the s-tronic is by far the best 7 speed dual clutch system available and the quattro system is by far better than bmws. It will get better mpg and perform better than a stock 335xi. We all know that a modded 335xi will destroy a s4, but there are always downsides to modding (voiding your warranty, etc.. etc.. )

How is Audis Quatro "far better" than Bmw's Xdrive. Where is your proof? I"d also like to know where your numbers are coming from for the performance and mpg statements.

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cstavaru Brigadier General 313 Rep 3,262 Posts Drives: 2009 335i M Sport Sedan 6MT Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Bucharest, Romania iTrader: (0)	335i rival: the new Audi S4, with a 3.0 supercharged V6. 333hp/440Nm It seems that Audi is finally preparing a contender for BMW 335i: the new Audi S4 not only in terms of power but also in terms of emissions and mileage. The engine will be a supercharged 3.0L V6 with direct injection, developing 333hp and 440Nm. http://www.easier.com/view/News/Moto...le-205837.html Not bad, huh ? And it's got a LSD (active sport differential) available as an option ! I think that BMW will start offering one too, soon... The max torque is made between 2500 and 4850RPM...unlike BMW Last edited by cstavaru; 10-19-2008 at 04:39 PM..
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KevinO Warrior-Poet 7 Rep 165 Posts Drives: 2015 BMW 335i Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: San Jose, CA iTrader: (0)	Doesn't matter. All other things being equal, the Audi has the fugliest LED accents on the headlights I've ever seen. You couldn't pay me to drive it. Minus those, it looks like a pretty nice car.
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