[DaveA]

Anybody looked into this is respect of BMW diesel cars...?

I notice that some of the legal companies are gathering clients for claims against BMW...

.. and are there not also some companies looking at claims for modelling PCPs..?

[JustChris]

I'll be retiring off this Dave

[MashinBenzin]

Originally Posted by JustChris

I'll be retiring off this Dave

The master plan becomes clear

[DaveA]

Originally Posted by JustChris

I'll be retiring off this Dave

Rock n Roll...

[JD6]

Volkswagen Group settled a diesel claim a couple of weeks ago, so there does appear to be a case:

https://www.theguardian.com/business...th-193m-payout

[Ennoch]

Ambulance chasing shit stain lawyers, and anyone who goes for these claims is equally bad. Everyone is complaining about the increasing cost of cars, and this is just another element that's increasing the cost. The reality is that no owner suffered as a result of this, those who did were the people on the streets breathing in the air. It's mental, everyone wants compensated for everything, even the stuff they've done with full knowledge.

[JD6]

Originally Posted by Ennoch

Ambulance chasing shit stain lawyers, and anyone who goes for these claims is equally bad. Everyone is complaining about the increasing cost of cars, and this is just another element that's increasing the cost. The reality is that no owner suffered as a result of this, those who did were the people on the streets breathing in the air. It's mental, everyone wants compensated for everything, even the stuff they've done with full knowledge.

I don’t like the opportunistic claim culture either, but I take a slightly different view here. If someone owned a diesel car while cheat devices and rigged testing we’re being revealed, then they would have suffered a financial loss as their car lost value as a result.

It’s probably a fairly modest loss - perhaps 10-15% of the car’s value at the time, but there’s no doubt that the diesel car premium over petrol, disappeared as a result of the deception.

This isn’t the same as someone burning themselves by spilling hot coffee or faking a whiplash injury from a low speed shunt, in my view.

[DaveA]

I have mixed views... hence asking the question...

Whilst I may not use the same language as you, Ennoch , I can see where you are coming from...

Like you, JD6 , I am all for supporting folk who have suffered a loss or have been genuinely miss-sold to...

I am intrigued, particularly, by the diesel cases against other manufacturers as I am not aware that any manufacturer other than VW has actually been shown to be using similar solutions... So was wondering what technical/legal basis do these folk claiming against BMW, say, actually have for the claims...

I am less knowledgeable of the PCP claims and the basis for those...

Really, I was just wondering if anybody has any better information on what these claims are about and what the claims are based on...

[ian332isport]

Originally Posted by JD6

If someone owned a diesel car while cheat devices and rigged testing we’re being revealed, then they would have suffered a financial loss as their car lost value as a result.

Realistically though, was there any loss in value? Does the average buyer give a second thought to what's coming out of the tail pipe of a diesel car?

Most people look at economy over emissions. If they were that worried about emissions, then a diesel probably isn't the correct choice in the first place.

[JD6]

Originally Posted by ian332isport

Realistically though, was there any loss in value? Does the average buyer give a second thought to what's coming out of the tail pipe of a diesel car?

Most people look at economy over emissions. If they were that worried about emissions, then a diesel probably isn't the correct choice in the first place.

Cities with low emission zones started to penalise Euro 5 (and below) diesel cars, including the F3x pre-2015 30d - placing them in the same category as Euro 3 petrol cars. Diesel cars started to be stigmatised. It certainly didn’t affect every potential buyer, who perhaps never ventured into a controlled zone and didn’t care about the image, but it was enough to have an impact on the car market.

If corporate deception affected the value, then it’s relatively easy to justify a claim. Whether it’s worth the effort is another matter.

I would separate the issue of harm from emissions - there’s no loss there to the individual car owner, that’s a matter for the state to deal with.

[Sennen]

I put 2 claims in with Merc about 18 months ago and they still seem to be rumbling along.

I think the VW claimants only got about 2K each....... much less than the £10k per claim intimated by Leigh Day but better off in my pocket than Mercs

I have never had a diesel BMW and we only had the C350 Estate for the dogs and the E350 Coupe was a very swift in stock replacement for the piece of Sh1te A45 that only lasted a few weeks.

[ian332isport]

Originally Posted by JD6

Cities with low emission zones started to penalise Euro 5 (and below) diesel cars, including the F3x pre-2015 30d - placing them in the same category as Euro 3 petrol cars. Diesel cars started to be stigmatised. It certainly didn’t affect every potential buyer, who perhaps never ventured into a controlled zone and didn’t care about the image, but it was enough to have an impact on the car market.

If corporate deception affected the value, then it’s relatively easy to justify a claim. Whether it’s worth the effort is another matter.

I would separate the issue of harm from emissions - there’s no loss there to the individual car owner, that’s a matter for the state to deal with.

I’m not aware all the dodgy testing moved an otherwise Euro 6 car into a lower Euro rating though. Unless it did, I don’t see what people have lost in value.

Don’t get me wrong, it sucks that VW tried to cheat the system, and I’m more than happy for people to receive compensation when it’s due. I’m just not sure there’s much material loss in this case.

[JD6]

Originally Posted by ian332isport

I’m not aware all the dodgy testing moved an otherwise Euro 6 car into a lower Euro rating though. Unless it did, I don’t see what people have lost in value.

Don’t get me wrong, it sucks that VW tried to cheat the system, and I’m more than happy for people to receive compensation when it’s due. I’m just not sure there’s much material loss in this case.

That isn’t how it worked. Cars keep their original Euro 4/5/6 designation but what has happen instead is that the entire classification of say Euro 5 diesels, which were equivalent of Euro 5 petrols, have been downgraded to be equivalent to Euro 3 petrols by those controlling LEZs. This has happened as a result of widespread deception on the part of car manufacturers, either using cheat devices, or gaming the testing regime. The consequence of this was to devalue those diesel cars.

Whether there is a material loss is a matter for the courts to decide, but my guess is that the courts will agree that there is. Diesel car values were undeniably affected by the discovery of this.