[Rogueroyal]

Apologises if a repost. Couldnt see a duplicate thread.

Noticed the trending topic of Noise Cameras are doing the rounds.
Whilst i can use a ton if explitives on this topic!!! I guess will watch how this develops and what rules/legislations come into play.

As an owner of a MPPSK 440i, dont think you can get much louder

https://www.hagerty.co.uk/articles/n...ise-camera-uk/
http://www.euronews.com/next/amp/202...is-europe-next


Please move to UK forum id poss. My bad

[Billfitz]

At least in my state so long as the car hasn't been modified there's no problem with exhaust noise levels. But according to the article what the cameras are revealing is that those with obnoxiously loud exhausts also tend to drive recklessly, and I have no problem with them paying the price for their antics. Using cameras to tag those who don't obey traffic lights becomes more common every day. This is a logical next step. Technology will keep on marching forward.

[HighlandPete]

Noise cameras are being trialled as noise pollution, due to anti-social behaviour by drivers and riders, is an issue in the UK.

It's not just the boy racers, it is right through to supercar drivers.

[Abzynthe]

I saw an article and a video online of a guy getting a fine for Anti Social behaviour due to his exhaust in London. It was an oem Maserati. It made a pop when downshifting.
Admittedly the guy didn't help himself by pulling his phone out and arguing with the police officer.

[MidtownMike]

For those who like obnoxiously loud exhausts, why don't you just route yours to the interior of the vehicle? That way you can enjoy the sound to the max. Added benefit is that others won't have to deal with your noise if you roll up the windows.
Oh, it ain't fun anymore if you're the only one who can hear it? Maybe then you should get help for that irrational attention seeking behavior.

[Rogueroyal]

Originally Posted by MidtownMike

For those who like obnoxiously loud exhausts, why don't you just route yours to the interior of the vehicle? That way you can enjoy the sound to the max. Added benefit is that others won't have to deal with your noise if you roll up the windows.
Oh, it ain't fun anymore if you're the only one who can hear it? Maybe then you should get help for that irrational attention seeking behavior.

Irrational attention seeking behavior?? What by getting an OEM part and tuning service to enhance the performance?? Think you are getting me (if aimed at me) and others mixed up with a different breed of car enthusiasts bud

[MidtownMike]

Originally Posted by Rogueroyal

Irrational attention seeking behavior?? What by getting an OEM part and tuning service to enhance the performance?? Think you are getting me (if aimed at me) and others mixed up with a different breed of car enthusiasts bud

With OEM parts and tuning it may be a bit louder, but it would not trigger the noise cameras. Increasing performance can be done with a relatively small increase in noise. This was targeted at those who create noise for the purpose of creating noise. Just like those bikers with their obnoxious exhausts deliberately seeking out crowded areas to rev their engines. They can het attention from my hand.... Bitch slapping them in the face.

[Wires]

Originally Posted by MidtownMike

With OEM parts and tuning it may be a bit louder, but it would not trigger the noise cameras. Increasing performance can be done with a relatively small increase in noise. This was targeted at those who create noise for the purpose of creating noise. Just like those bikers with their obnoxious exhausts deliberately seeking out crowded areas to rev their engines. They can het attention from my hand.... Bitch slapping them in the face.

... or those guys with the diesel pickups with the giant outlet exhausts that you could stuff a 5-year old kid in. Fully agree!

[Billfitz]

Here's the thing. A certain segment of the male population thinks that the size of their Johnson is proportional to how loud their exhaust and/or subwoofers are, when in fact said decibel level is inversely proportional to their IQ.

[Abzynthe]

What about those who have an exhaust that has the potential to be obnoxiously loud, but is only at its full potential in quiet countryside roads? :P
I don't see the need for the exhaust to be loud, or even have the car in sport mode in built up areas.

[WDE82]

Originally Posted by Billfitz

At least in my state so long as the car hasn't been modified there's no problem with exhaust noise levels. But according to the article what the cameras are revealing is that those with obnoxiously loud exhausts also tend to drive recklessly, and I have no problem with them paying the price for their antics. Using cameras to tag those who don't obey traffic lights becomes more common every day. This is a logical next step. Technology will keep on marching forward.

You really don't want to become a surveillance state like the UK.

[agentorange]

Originally Posted by WDE82

You really don't want to become a surveillance state like the UK.

You don't need a surveillance state to screw you, just one like CA that refuses to admit it is wrong. In this case, the car is bone stock with a multi-mode exhaust.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/owner-...i-isnt-helping

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2022...ce-california/

[Billfitz]

IMO Hyundai is at fault for having a mode that gives an illegal decibel level. Like it or not the law is the law.

[Wires]

In that case, they were driving in "track mode" through residential streets. So personally, owner is 100% at fault and not a victim here.

Those with hollowed out exhausts that purposely downshift and accelerate hard at every crosswalk to startle people, know what they are doing. Just like the individual with the Elantra.

[Billfitz]

Here's a thought. Take it back to the dealer, have him perform the testing. If it fails there's a case for a full refund since he sold a defective product.

[MidtownMike]

Wouldn't it depend on what's in the owner's manual? If it says that "track mode" should only be used on a closed track and not on public roads, then it's not the manufacturer's fault.

[agentorange]

Originally Posted by Billfitz

IMO Hyundai is at fault for having a mode that gives an illegal decibel level. Like it or not the law is the law.

OK, so if the EPA and its European analogs now tests all the BMW products in Sport+ mode for emissions and gas mileage measurements you would be OK with that? Bear in mind that in the US there is the gas guzzler tax, and in much of Europe your annual car tax is based on CO2 emissions.

[WDE82]

Originally Posted by agentorange

You don't need a surveillance state to screw you, just one like CA that refuses to admit it is wrong. In this case, the car is bone stock with a multi-mode exhaust.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/owner-...i-isnt-helping

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2022...ce-california/

Most states or municipalities have noise limit laws. In LA you can hear douches with overly loud exhausts for miles. They annoy literally tens of thousands of people at a time.

[agentorange]

Originally Posted by MidtownMike

Wouldn't it depend on what's in the owner's manual? If it says that "track mode" should only be used on a closed track and not on public roads, then it's not the manufacturer's fault.

In the US many speed parts carry the caveat "For off-road use only". California recognizes this as a cop out, which is why all aftermarket parts fitted on a car registered in California must be approved by the California Air Resources Board (CARB).

I suspect that this incident may lead to California outlawing the sale of cars with "track modes". Given the size of the market in that state, the manufacturers will likely cave and issue recalls on cars already sold to disable such modes.

[Billfitz]

Originally Posted by agentorange

OK, so if the EPA and its European analogs now tests all the BMW products in Sport+ mode for emissions and gas mileage measurements you would be OK with that? Bear in mind that in the US there is the gas guzzler tax, and in much of Europe your annual car tax is based on CO2 emissions.

What's the point of having mileage and emissions requirements if they can be bypassed with the flick of a switch? Holy Volkswagon!

[MidtownMike]

Originally Posted by Billfitz

What's the point of having mileage and emissions requirements if they can be bypassed with the flick of a switch? Holy Volkswagon!

Isn't that what happens now, maybe not for testing hard limits but for testing average CO² and fuel consumption? Or is the WLTP testing always done in a "worst case scenario" meaning Sport+ and transmission in sports mode? Seriously asking, because I cannot find the answer.

[HighlandPete]

Originally Posted by MidtownMike

Isn't that what happens now, maybe not for testing hard limits but for testing average CO² and fuel consumption? Or is the WLTP testing always done in a "worst case scenario" meaning Sport+ and transmission in sports mode? Seriously asking, because I cannot find the answer.

I'm sure I've seen information for the WLTP (and EPA) mpg/CO2 tests being in the default modes. For BMW, that would be 'Comfort', if that is the case.

Will look and see if I can find a reference. EDITED:

WORLD-HARMONIZED LIGHT-DUTY VEHICLES TEST PROCEDURE (WLTP)

Relevant paragraph...

In addition to development of the drive trace, a gearshift strategy for manual transmissions was established. This strategy simulates representative gearshift operation as a function of engine and vehicle characteristics. Automatic transmissions with driver-selectable modes must comply with emission standards in all modes, while the “predominant” mode should be used for efficiency testing.

Predominant... I interpret as the default mode.