H&R or MSS

Sayzar · 03-10-2023, 05:38 PM

Debating on H&R or MSS to lower it. I hate the wheel gap but not sure what route to go with.

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Kevin_The_Clean1 · 03-10-2023, 05:53 PM

I went with DINAN since they could actually discuss the increase in stiffness & provided the same drop on all 4 corners. Giving the X3M the exact same front to rear rake as factory. When I called H&R to ask for more details & specifics they were tight lipped about discussing their secrete sauce. They couldn't comment or reveal any of those increase in stiffness facts. I also believe DINAN are actually Eibach units that have been rebranded with the classic blue DINAN color.

r33_RGSport · 03-10-2023, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sayzar

Debating on H&R or MSS to lower it. I hate the wheel gap but not sure what route to go with.

DSC01974 by , on Flickr

I personally prefer MSS since you can adjust the rake same as stock or even it out.
MSS spring is also made by Eibach. Eibach and H&R make spring for many lowering spring brand and even factory springs.

DBU · 03-11-2023, 09:15 PM

+1 for MSS and r33_RGSport Too bad you are on the other coast. I had my X4MC done recently by Ben and very happy with the looks. Even with lowering, there is a slight improvement in the ride quality. Nothing major - it still very much feels like a proper M car, but certain undulations in the road are now handled better IMHO.

Anyone who is local to SoCal area, it is worth it to to pay a visit to r33_RGSport (Ben); fair pricing and quick service. He definitely knows what he is doing.

Sayzar · 03-11-2023, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DBU

+1 for MSS and r33_RGSport Too bad you are on the other coast. I had my X4MC done recently by Ben and very happy with the looks. Even with lowering, there is a slight improvement in the ride quality. Nothing major - it still very much feels like a proper M car, but certain undulations in the road are now handled better IMHO.

Anyone who is local to SoCal area, it is worth it to to pay a visit to r33_RGSport (Ben); fair pricing and quick service. He definitely knows what he is doing.

I decided to go with MSS thanks to r33_RGSport on this review for the MSS vs H&R on a previous tread.

r33_RGSport · 03-11-2023, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BMWMShopping

r33_RGSport lead me to the MSS and have never regretted it.

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Originally Posted by DBU

+1 for MSS and r33_RGSport Too bad you are on the other coast. I had my X4MC done recently by Ben and very happy with the looks. Even with lowering, there is a slight improvement in the ride quality. Nothing major - it still very much feels like a proper M car, but certain undulations in the road are now handled better IMHO.

Anyone who is local to SoCal area, it is worth it to to pay a visit to r33_RGSport (Ben); fair pricing and quick service. He definitely knows what he is doing.

Thank you for the kind words.

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Originally Posted by Sayzar

I decided to go with MSS thanks to r33_RGSport on this review for the MSS vs H&R on a previous tread.

Glad I can help.
Get it before April 1st, it is on sale on my website.

Sayzar · 03-11-2023, 10:31 PM

Thank you guys for your input on lowering the car. I am getting quoted the lowest $650 for install only and $900 with the wheel alignment included. does that seem right?

Sayzar · 03-11-2023, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by r33_RGSport

Thank you for the kind words.

Glad I can help.
Get it before April 1st, it is on sale on my website.

100% will do. what would be the perfect dial set, don't want a slam look

r33_RGSport · 03-11-2023, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Sayzar

100% will do. what would be the perfect dial set, don't want a slam look

I can pre-set it for you if you order. Just let me know if you want me to pre-set it.

Sayzar · 03-11-2023, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BMWMShopping

r33_RGSport lead me to the MSS and have never regretted it.

Thank you, your car looks great

Sayzar · 03-11-2023, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by r33_RGSport

I can pre-set it for you if you order. Just let me know if you want me to pre-set it.

that would be great, I will PM when i order them.

Camnyc · 03-12-2023, 09:26 AM

MSS and get them thru Ben. Customer service is top notch

Thtshowiroll47 · 03-12-2023, 08:20 PM

Looks like I’ll have to jump on that sale before it ends. 🤙🏾

mike@x-ph.com · 03-13-2023, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Thtshowiroll47

Looks like I’ll have to jump on that sale before it ends. 🤙🏾

If its not too late, we have both brands on sale.

1nityrider · 03-13-2023, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by r33_RGSport

I can pre-set it for you if you order. Just let me know if you want me to pre-set it.

Hi, I have seen a post that you mentioned you installed these on a user car. Have you done it for an X4MC. Curious as to how much work is involved. I have a 2023 and asked for a quote from a local tuner shop and they quoting me $3297.34

I would have definitely be jumping on these if labor to install wasn't that much.

Bmock17 · 03-13-2023, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 1nityrider

Hi, I have seen a post that you mentioned you installed these on a user car. Have you done it for an X4MC. Curious as to how much work is involved. I have a 2023 and asked for a quote from a local tuner shop and they quoting me $3297.34

I would have definitely be jumping on these if labor to install wasn't that much.

$3297?? That’s completely ridiculous and their way of telling you they have no interest in doing the install.

1nityrider · 03-13-2023, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bmock17

$3297?? That’s completely ridiculous and their way of telling you they have no interest in doing the install.

Thanks, I knew that was high, didn't know it was that high. I will try and get a quote from the dealership. Hope it can be in that $1400 point or less

r33_RGSport · 03-13-2023, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 1nityrider

Hi, I have seen a post that you mentioned you installed these on a user car. Have you done it for an X4MC. Curious as to how much work is involved. I have a 2023 and asked for a quote from a local tuner shop and they quoting me $3297.34

I would have definitely be jumping on these if labor to install wasn't that much.

Feel free to visit my IG where I post most of the work that I've done.
I have done X4MC recently.

My labor rate for this platform is 3-4 hours.

I don't know how they calculate their rate, but that better includes more than just spring install.

Sayzar · 03-13-2023, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 1nityrider

Hi, I have seen a post that you mentioned you installed these on a user car. Have you done it for an X4MC. Curious as to how much work is involved. I have a 2023 and asked for a quote from a local tuner shop and they quoting me $3297.34

I would have definitely be jumping on these if labor to install wasn't that much.

I got quoted at $930 for labor and wheel alignment only, as I will providing the MSS Kit.

DBU · 03-13-2023, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Sayzar

I got quoted at $930 for labor and wheel alignment only, as I will providing the MSS Kit.

I'm no expert, but several folks have mentioned that the springs need to settle first, THEN do a wheel alignment. The number 1000K miles was mentioned.

Sayzar · 03-13-2023, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DBU

I'm no expert, but several folks have mentioned that the springs need to settle first, THEN do a wheel alignment. The number 1000K miles was mentioned.

I believe that's only with coilovers, but could be wrong.

redbullfan · 03-14-2023, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Sayzar

I got quoted at $930 for labor and wheel alignment only, as I will providing the MSS Kit.

I can recommend another shop you can go to

03-10-2023, 05:38 PM	#1
Sayzar Major 2586 Rep 1,317 Posts Drives: 2016 435i GC 2020 X4M Comp Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: New Jersey iTrader: (0)	H&R or MSS Debating on H&R or MSS to lower it. I hate the wheel gap but not sure what route to go with. DSC01974 by , on Flickr
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Kevin_The_Clean1 Brigadier General 3359 Rep 3,984 Posts Drives: 2020 X3 MC Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Campbell, CA iTrader: (11)	I went with DINAN since they could actually discuss the increase in stiffness & provided the same drop on all 4 corners. Giving the X3M the exact same front to rear rake as factory. When I called H&R to ask for more details & specifics they were tight lipped about discussing their secrete sauce. They couldn't comment or reveal any of those increase in stiffness facts. I also believe DINAN are actually Eibach units that have been rebranded with the classic blue DINAN color. __________________ 1998 E36 M3 - Totaled 2003 E39 M5 - Gone but not forgotten 2011 E90 335i M-Sport - Daily Driver 2017 F87 M2 - Sold & missed 2020 F97 X3 M Competition - Finally arrived ///
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DBU Captain 234 Rep 396 Posts Drives: 2022 X4MC - Marina Bay Blue Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Orange County, California iTrader: (0)	+1 for MSS and r33_RGSport Too bad you are on the other coast. I had my X4MC done recently by Ben and very happy with the looks. Even with lowering, there is a slight improvement in the ride quality. Nothing major - it still very much feels like a proper M car, but certain undulations in the road are now handled better IMHO. Anyone who is local to SoCal area, it is worth it to to pay a visit to r33_RGSport (Ben); fair pricing and quick service. He definitely knows what he is doing. __________________ '22 ///X4M Competition - fully loaded Marina Bay Blue. Lowered on MSS springs. 20" x 10 ET20 Vertini RFS1.2 wheels wrapped in Firestone Indy 500 Firehawk 275/40 tires (square setup). Hers: '15 X4 2.8i - Glacier Silver - loaded M-Sport
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Sayzar Major 2586 Rep 1,317 Posts Drives: 2016 435i GC 2020 X4M Comp Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: New Jersey iTrader: (0)	Thank you Thank you guys for your input on lowering the car. I am getting quoted the lowest $650 for install only and $900 with the wheel alignment included. does that seem right?
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Camnyc wannabe 252 Rep 819 Posts Drives: E90 LCI M3 Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: nyc iTrader: (3)	MSS and get them thru Ben. Customer service is top notch __________________ E90 M3 - 6speed - slicktop - single hump
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Thtshowiroll47 Private First Class 128 Rep 123 Posts Drives: BMW X3M Competition Join Date: Oct 2022 Location: Laurel iTrader: (0)	Looks like I’ll have to jump on that sale before it ends. 🤙🏾
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