Has anyone developed a true high-end remote reservoir coilover setup for the 135i yet

[bradford]

IE a Moton, Ohlins, Penske setup?

Also, does the suspension design up front permit camber plates, or are any of the control arms adjustable for camber?

I rented a 135i at Autobahn Country Club for the afternoon a few weeks ago, and though the motor's great and the chassis has potential, the OEM suspension is complete and utter crap on the track. Push push push. It's so soft that when you roll onto the throttle at the apex the front tires lose grip and it washes out even more.

I'm not pulling the trigger on a 135i until someone comes up with a top-notch coilover kit.

[Evolution Racewerks]

Moton as well as Penske can make it custom for you if you sent in your stock shocks. Get ready to put down another down payment though. As far as off the shelf deal, I doubt anyone has anything and probably won't be for a long time.

Yes, you can use upper camber plates to change camber. The KW Clubsport suspension on our 135i has upper camber plates. They're fully maxed out. :biggrin: No remote reservoir on them no. They are however, rebound and compression adjustable independently.

The stock lower control arms are not adjustable. You have a very limited stock adjustability through the slots for the bolts on the control arm, basically useless though. I am sure someone :wink: will be coming out with an adjustable control arm very soon.

Originally Posted by bradford

IE a Moton, Ohlins, Penske setup?

Also, does the suspension design up front permit camber plates, or are any of the control arms adjustable for camber?

I rented a 135i at Autobahn Country Club for the afternoon a few weeks ago, and though the motor's great and the chassis has potential, the OEM suspension is complete and utter crap on the track. Push push push. It's so soft that when you roll onto the throttle at the apex the front tires lose grip and it washes out even more.

I'm not pulling the trigger on a 135i until someone comes up with a top-notch coilover kit.

[bradford]

Thanks for the info. I looked on your site - the KW integrated camber plate design looks interesting.



What's with the outer holes? Are they indexed to allow rotation for caster adjustment as well?

[Evolution Racewerks]

Very good observation! Yes, the multiple holes on the KW upper camber plate allow you to rotate the plate. You can rotate it for full camber adjustment or caster adjustment. Put it diagonally and you have both camber and caster adjustment (though in this position, any adjustment adjusts both camber and caster).

Currently, the KW upper plate is set for camber and it is maxed out. When we finish prototyping the new adjustable lower control arms, we will use that to adjust camber and change the KW upper plates to caster adjustment.

[bradford]

cool concept. Is bump steer an issue on the 135i?

Also, since it appears to be an integrated system, is there enought headroom under the hood to increase travel? Or does the plate go in from below? If so, is travel reduced appreciably?

[WAY]

Fred, do the adjustable top mount create a bit of noise over bumps (for those who want to use this for the street as well as the track)?

[spdrcr]

Originally Posted by WAY

Fred, do the adjustable top mount create a bit of noise over bumps (for those who want to use this for the street as well as the track)?

Seconded! Would also be good to hear from you about the specific differences (spring rates etc) between the V3 and clubsport setup. The V3 does sound nice but without a solution to get some decent camber on the front it sounds like a bit of a waste of time...

[WAY]

Also I believe the springs on the V3 is progressive whereas the Clubsport isn't?

[bradford]

Bumping my old post to the top. I see that TC Kline now has a Moton remote reservoir setup available for the 135i.

Does anyone here have it? I would love to hear some impressions.

Thanks in advance...

[akak1997]

What's the benefits of having a remote reservoir? I thought it only allows you to increase the length of the shock travel, like for rally cars where they take off and land often. What could it improve on the 135?

[racinbmw]

You guys need to check out BRracing's setup on their 135. They have the full monty regarding suspensions, and I believe they are running either quad adjustable or triple, but either way the pictures I saw and the reviews they gave after running Moton's, and others was pretty damn amamzing.

Evolution Racewerks thanks for the insight on your findings I will take that to mind when I am ready to pull the trigger on a full race system. Cant wait...

[bradford]

Originally Posted by akak1997

What's the benefits of having a remote reservoir? I thought it only allows you to increase the length of the shock travel, like for rally cars where they take off and land often. What could it improve on the 135?

The piston extension on the E9X suspension is already quite limited.

Check out this pic:

[bradford]

Originally Posted by akak1997

What's the benefits of having a remote reservoir? I thought it only allows you to increase the length of the shock travel, like for rally cars where they take off and land often. What could it improve on the 135?

Additionally, it's not just the increased travel due to the remote reservoir design.

It's that very high quality, high speed damper systems allow stock ride quality while offering vastly superior handling. Though not due to the remote reservoir design, manufacturers of such dampers often opt to go that route.

[BerkTechnology]

Originally Posted by WAY

Also I believe the springs on the V3 is progressive whereas the Clubsport isn't?

Clubsports are linear front, progressive rear.

KW V3's are progressive F & R.

[Evolution Racewerks]

Clubsports are linear all around. Well at least ours is.
Spring rates on the Clubsports are a bit higher too I believe.

Originally Posted by BerkTechnology

Clubsports are linear front, progressive rear.

KW V3's are progressive F & R.

[mikeo]

Vorshlag sells the AST 5300 remote reservoir coilover setup for the 135i. Contact Terry Fair for pricing and availability.

[HP Autosport]

Originally Posted by bradford

IE a Moton, Ohlins, Penske setup?

Also, does the suspension design up front permit camber plates, or are any of the control arms adjustable for camber?

I rented a 135i at Autobahn Country Club for the afternoon a few weeks ago, and though the motor's great and the chassis has potential, the OEM suspension is complete and utter crap on the track. Push push push. It's so soft that when you roll onto the throttle at the apex the front tires lose grip and it washes out even more.

I'm not pulling the trigger on a 135i until someone comes up with a top-notch coilover kit.

Try AST!

[HP Autosport]

Moton dampers are the best made, period. These are the choice of the pros, including the BMW factory teams in Europe and the US, with features that consistently put them in the winner's circle. The Moton Clubsports have many of the features that have brought the Motorsport damper line praise but packaged with more durable seals/components so that this set up is streetable as well.



Features include:



Damping characteristics are controlled precisely by controlling flow through small holes instead of forcing past traditional shim-stacks
Large range of adjustment - this means you don't need to revalve for spring changes
Non-preloaded valve stack - smoother response without becoming harsh
Swivel remote canister fittings - allows easier mounting of remote canisters
Blow-off valve system - blows off with big impacts for more grip in demanding conditions
Large piston rod diameter - more fluid displacement gives better low speed damper control
Maximum fluid displacement - responds to small amounts of travel for today's low travel suspensions
Adjustable gas pressure - affect total weight transfer, allowing the use of lighter spring rates without changing damping characteristics
Damper bodies produced from the highest quality steel or aluminum, application dependant


Double Adjustable - 15 positions of bump adjustment on the remote reservoir and 15 positions in rebound on top of the piston rod. Each adjustment done to the damper (each click) is very noticeable to the driver. Dampers are designed to perform at both low and high piston velocities, giving you total control regardless of the conditions. This is the workhorse damper and due to larger production volumes of parts now shared with the Moton non-remote Street Sport line, cost on these dampers has come down as much as 35%, making these dampers an incredible value.



Camber plates are required with Motons on the E82.



Kit Includes:



Moton Clubsport 2-Way Adjustable Dampers (compression and rebound)
Vorshlag Adjustable Camber Plates
Swift Linear Rate Springs
Rear Height Adjusters
Swift Thrust Sheets
Adjuster Wrenches


If you select helper springs as an option, it adds helper springs on all four corners of the cars. In the front it keeps the spring from moving around when the shock is unloaded and prevents damage to the thrust sheets. In the rear, the helper springs allow the user to change out the springs very quickly without the use of spanner wrenches or unbolting the rear damper.