Do I need the high capacity oil cooler??

Bandarof · 06-14-2009, 05:26 AM

I recently purchased my e92 and lovin' it.

Been researching different mods to try and beat the Porsche Carrera and the new M3.

I don't care about warranty as my car is not covered by North American Warranty out here in the middle east, but I still want to keep the engine in top notch condition because I don't plan on ever ridding myself of this car.

So now I'm stronlgy considering the Dinan Stage 2 reflash, and a performance air filter, but I'm not sure if I should get the 2K high capacity oil cooler.

As far as I can tell I can go with stage 2 without the high capacity cooler but the temperature would rise 5 notches which sounds a lot to me considering the extremely hot, dusty, dry weather here in Saudi Arabia. I do have a factory oil cooler.

DO I need this high capacity cooler?? Would that keep the engine in good shape?? Would the cooler oil give me more horsepower in hotter temperatures, would it improve performance?? Is it worth the investment?? Is there any other cheaper options??

What about changing the intercooler instead?? Wouldn't that give me even more horsepower?? And cancel out the need for a higher capacity oil cooler??

Best Regards

galahad05 · 06-14-2009, 05:41 AM

Let me just make the general statement that cooler is better in high performance applications. Having said that, try your tune by itself, and watch your oil temps carefully. If it gets too high for your comfort or if you start getting limp modes, then get your self a heavy-duty replacement oil cooler.

elim11 · 06-14-2009, 10:19 AM

I think since you live in Saudi Arabia where it's hot as hell, you really do need to focus on cooling to avoid heatsoaking... especially since you are looking to into performance tunes which run the engine hotter.

JayKay335i · 06-14-2009, 07:35 PM

You would have just been better off buying an m3 or a porsche.

SoySauce · 06-14-2009, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by JayKay335i

You would have just been better off buying an m3 or a porsche.

another one of those pointless none productive comments

bluescoupe · 06-14-2009, 08:08 PM

sounds like a better oil cooler is in order! More important (in the long run probably) than the mods!

JayKay335i · 06-15-2009, 02:01 AM

Additional oil cooler, larger FMIC, and the new performance radiator.

Bandarof · 06-15-2009, 02:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayKay335i

You would have just been better off buying an m3 or a porsche.

Isn't it??

The Porsche isn't a BMW...and not a turbo.

And the M3 ain't a turbo either

Bandarof · 06-15-2009, 02:54 AM

I'm feeling more and more confident about the oil cooler....Thanks guys, I have decided.

Dinan Stage 2
High Capacity Oil Cooler
Performance Air Intake Filter

For the time being I believe I will be very happy with this.

I will let you know how it turns out

SoySauce · 06-15-2009, 01:50 PM

good luck !

roozie2001 · 06-15-2009, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bandarof

I'm feeling more and more confident about the oil cooler....Thanks guys, I have decided.

Dinan Stage 2
High Capacity Oil Cooler
Performance Air Intake Filter

For the time being I believe I will be very happy with this.

I will let you know how it turns out

If you dont care about warranty why dont u go with some other tune that makes more power. like vishnu or jb3?

the forum. Theres alot of other companies other than dinan that sell Oil Coolers, tunes, etc, and for the 5k your about to spend on 3 items u could have yourself an oil cooler, tune, fmic, intake and DPs too. At that point Your close to set.

enrita · 06-15-2009, 02:02 PM

Dont get Dinan... just get a piggy. Cheaper and more power.
Than do Catless Dps , FMI, DCI and extra or bigger oilcooler.
All set than!

Bandarof · 06-15-2009, 02:24 PM

No piggy...I wanna keep my engine in good shape like I said, I don't ever want to get rid of this car. I really trust the dinan reflash these guys know what they are doing.

But I like the idea of getting a different oil cooler to save some dough.

What oil cooler and air filter would you guys recommend??

Thanks Soysauce

enrita · 06-15-2009, 02:26 PM

so you think 90 % of the people here have a bad engine? You dont need to run the highest boost . Do a Search for Dinan and you will see many people complaining about it .

Bandarof · 06-15-2009, 02:26 PM

Also, won't use cone filters as the weather is really sandy and dusty, and cone filters are more vulnerable to dust.

Maybe Vishnu regular filters, what about oil cooler? I don't think vishnu carry any oil coolers...

enrita · 06-15-2009, 02:27 PM

If you have the stock oil cooler , get the AR additional oil cooler. 2 is better than one.

Bandarof · 06-15-2009, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by enrita

so you think 90 % of the people here have a bad engine? You dont need to run the highest boost . Do a Search for Dinan and you will see many people complaining about it .

No, but in Sweden...The weather is MUCH cooler than in Saudi Arabia, and this Engine produces a lot of heat, over here I must take more care.

Bandarof · 06-15-2009, 03:02 PM

I like this AR cooler....

Do you have one??

JayKay335i · 06-15-2009, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bandarof

Isn't it??

The Porsche isn't a BMW...and not a turbo.

And the M3 ain't a turbo either

True. Depends on what you mean by "beating". You could most certainly shit on one in a 1/4 mile with minimal mods to the 335i. Its going to take a whole lot more $$ to take one around a nice road track. Thats half the fun of it though. You're 335 will be balling when reaching that point.

If warranty isnt something your worried about I wouldnt waste my time with Dinnan tunes, parts, etc.

JayKay335i · 06-15-2009, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bandarof

I like this AR cooler....

Do you have one??

The AR cooler is supposed to be sweet. Definitely look into a new IC. There are a couple direct fitment ones right now. They all show considerable reduction in temps at higher boost. The stock air box isnt bad with a high flow filter. Deffinitely check out JB and Vishnu.

Bandarof · 06-15-2009, 04:15 PM

Thanks buddy...Much appreciated..

By the way...The complaints against Dinan reflash was resolved, that was old news.

Dinan surely know BMW's more than most manufacturer's and I believe there are many elements they consider in the reflash to keep the engine in good shape that other manufacturers may miss, or miscalculate..

Richardo · 06-15-2009, 08:57 PM

I have had the Dinan Stage 1 reflash for about 15,000 kms and have been very happy with it. I got it for the same reason that you did; I just wanted a little extra power but am planning to keep the car a long time. I noticed that the car runs about 5 degrees C cooler since the reflash. I only have the stock oil cooler, and I live it Dallas. Although it doesn't get as hot as Saudi Arabia, it is often more than 40 degrees C here in the summer. I can understand your plan to get the larger oil cooler, but you might want to try it using the stock oil cooler first before you buy the larger one. I would also plan on more frequent oil changes.

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Bandarof Impossible is Nothing 6 Rep 86 Posts Drives: 08' white/red 335i Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Saudi Arabia iTrader: (0) Garage List 2008 e92 335i [0.00]	Do I need the high capacity oil cooler?? I recently purchased my e92 and lovin' it. Been researching different mods to try and beat the Porsche Carrera and the new M3. I don't care about warranty as my car is not covered by North American Warranty out here in the middle east, but I still want to keep the engine in top notch condition because I don't plan on ever ridding myself of this car. So now I'm stronlgy considering the Dinan Stage 2 reflash, and a performance air filter, but I'm not sure if I should get the 2K high capacity oil cooler. As far as I can tell I can go with stage 2 without the high capacity cooler but the temperature would rise 5 notches which sounds a lot to me considering the extremely hot, dusty, dry weather here in Saudi Arabia. I do have a factory oil cooler. DO I need this high capacity cooler?? Would that keep the engine in good shape?? Would the cooler oil give me more horsepower in hotter temperatures, would it improve performance?? Is it worth the investment?? Is there any other cheaper options?? What about changing the intercooler instead?? Wouldn't that give me even more horsepower?? And cancel out the need for a higher capacity oil cooler?? Best Regards
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galahad05 Brigadier General 158 Rep 3,158 Posts Drives: '07 335i e90 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Long Island NY iTrader: (0)	Let me just make the general statement that cooler is better in high performance applications. Having said that, try your tune by itself, and watch your oil temps carefully. If it gets too high for your comfort or if you start getting limp modes, then get your self a heavy-duty replacement oil cooler. __________________ Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest. --Mark Twain
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elim11 Major 424 Rep 1,325 Posts Drives: e90m3 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: irvine/sf iTrader: (13)	I think since you live in Saudi Arabia where it's hot as hell, you really do need to focus on cooling to avoid heatsoaking... especially since you are looking to into performance tunes which run the engine hotter.
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JayKay335i Banned 189 Rep 5,046 Posts Drives: ///M323 DCT Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: North Dakota; its best DUHHHHHH iTrader: (1)	You would have just been better off buying an m3 or a porsche.
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bluescoupe motorhead 57 Rep 465 Posts Drives: 2017 M2 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: west coast, FL iTrader: (0)	sounds like a better oil cooler is in order! More important (in the long run probably) than the mods!
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JayKay335i Banned 189 Rep 5,046 Posts Drives: ///M323 DCT Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: North Dakota; its best DUHHHHHH iTrader: (1)	Additional oil cooler, larger FMIC, and the new performance radiator.
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Bandarof Impossible is Nothing 6 Rep 86 Posts Drives: 08' white/red 335i Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Saudi Arabia iTrader: (0) Garage List 2008 e92 335i [0.00]	I'm feeling more and more confident about the oil cooler....Thanks guys, I have decided. Dinan Stage 2 High Capacity Oil Cooler Performance Air Intake Filter For the time being I believe I will be very happy with this. I will let you know how it turns out __________________ 08' 335i WHT/RED MT6 01' 323Ci TPZ BLU/GRY MT6 88' 750iL BLU/GRY 85' 745i Carbonite/Buffalo Turbo Injectors
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enrita Major General 161 Rep 7,377 Posts Drives: 335i - Big turbos Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Italian in Sweden iTrader: (0)	Dont get Dinan... just get a piggy. Cheaper and more power. Than do Catless Dps , FMI, DCI and extra or bigger oilcooler. All set than! __________________ 07 335i AT - MOTIV 750 - MHD E85 BMS flash - BMS PI - JB4G5 - Okada Coils - NGK 5992 Plugs - Helix IC - Snow Stg. 3 - Stett CP - Custom midpipes with 100 HJS Cats - Bastuck Quad - PSS10 - QUAIFE LSD - BMS OCC - Forge DVs - AR OC - ALCON BBK - M3 Chassi - Dinan CP - Velocity M rear Toe arms - Advan RZ-DF - LUX H8 - Level 10 AT upgrade
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Bandarof Impossible is Nothing 6 Rep 86 Posts Drives: 08' white/red 335i Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Saudi Arabia iTrader: (0) Garage List 2008 e92 335i [0.00]	No piggy...I wanna keep my engine in good shape like I said, I don't ever want to get rid of this car. I really trust the dinan reflash these guys know what they are doing. But I like the idea of getting a different oil cooler to save some dough. What oil cooler and air filter would you guys recommend?? Thanks Soysauce __________________ 08' 335i WHT/RED MT6 01' 323Ci TPZ BLU/GRY MT6 88' 750iL BLU/GRY 85' 745i Carbonite/Buffalo Turbo Injectors
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enrita Major General 161 Rep 7,377 Posts Drives: 335i - Big turbos Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Italian in Sweden iTrader: (0)	so you think 90 % of the people here have a bad engine? You dont need to run the highest boost . Do a Search for Dinan and you will see many people complaining about it . __________________ 07 335i AT - MOTIV 750 - MHD E85 BMS flash - BMS PI - JB4G5 - Okada Coils - NGK 5992 Plugs - Helix IC - Snow Stg. 3 - Stett CP - Custom midpipes with 100 HJS Cats - Bastuck Quad - PSS10 - QUAIFE LSD - BMS OCC - Forge DVs - AR OC - ALCON BBK - M3 Chassi - Dinan CP - Velocity M rear Toe arms - Advan RZ-DF - LUX H8 - Level 10 AT upgrade
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enrita Major General 161 Rep 7,377 Posts Drives: 335i - Big turbos Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Italian in Sweden iTrader: (0)	If you have the stock oil cooler , get the AR additional oil cooler. 2 is better than one. __________________ 07 335i AT - MOTIV 750 - MHD E85 BMS flash - BMS PI - JB4G5 - Okada Coils - NGK 5992 Plugs - Helix IC - Snow Stg. 3 - Stett CP - Custom midpipes with 100 HJS Cats - Bastuck Quad - PSS10 - QUAIFE LSD - BMS OCC - Forge DVs - AR OC - ALCON BBK - M3 Chassi - Dinan CP - Velocity M rear Toe arms - Advan RZ-DF - LUX H8 - Level 10 AT upgrade
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Bandarof Impossible is Nothing 6 Rep 86 Posts Drives: 08' white/red 335i Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Saudi Arabia iTrader: (0) Garage List 2008 e92 335i [0.00]	I like this AR cooler.... Do you have one?? __________________ 08' 335i WHT/RED MT6 01' 323Ci TPZ BLU/GRY MT6 88' 750iL BLU/GRY 85' 745i Carbonite/Buffalo Turbo Injectors
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Bandarof Impossible is Nothing 6 Rep 86 Posts Drives: 08' white/red 335i Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Saudi Arabia iTrader: (0) Garage List 2008 e92 335i [0.00]	Thanks buddy...Much appreciated.. By the way...The complaints against Dinan reflash was resolved, that was old news. Dinan surely know BMW's more than most manufacturer's and I believe there are many elements they consider in the reflash to keep the engine in good shape that other manufacturers may miss, or miscalculate.. __________________ 08' 335i WHT/RED MT6 01' 323Ci TPZ BLU/GRY MT6 88' 750iL BLU/GRY 85' 745i Carbonite/Buffalo Turbo Injectors
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Richardo Private First Class 14 Rep 153 Posts Drives: 335i AT sport Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Texas iTrader: (0)	I have had the Dinan Stage 1 reflash for about 15,000 kms and have been very happy with it. I got it for the same reason that you did; I just wanted a little extra power but am planning to keep the car a long time. I noticed that the car runs about 5 degrees C cooler since the reflash. I only have the stock oil cooler, and I live it Dallas. Although it doesn't get as hot as Saudi Arabia, it is often more than 40 degrees C here in the summer. I can understand your plan to get the larger oil cooler, but you might want to try it using the stock oil cooler first before you buy the larger one. I would also plan on more frequent oil changes.
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