[Dr.G]

My colleague and i took his 328ci to a nice road trip to zion and on the way i told him how great his car was "dynamically and whatnot" then he started to brag about how fast it was . I mentioned to him that in a straight line it feels VERY slow and that i could probably out run him in a straight line with my family sedan.

"This is not like that thread of old where some kid with a 325 was gonna race an accord 3.0 coupe and asking about tips on how to win"

I have raced him already from a standing start, rolling ~10mph to somehting ridiculous and another rolling from about 40. Im sure you guys already know who won race but the actual results might surprise you. ill post it after a few ppl tell me what they think.

note: these were done very far from public traffic, we drove so far off our gps to the point that we didn't find another car for 1 hour and the gps had no names for the tarmac we were on

ps. i have much faster cars at my disposal but this was done for curiosity

edit: i should also add both are autos and we both have lots of driving experience, although i have had skip barber training

[blue2fire]

The Honda is a fast car, you shouldn't have a problem beating up a fat 328 in a straight line.

[Tim2189]

honda +41 HP then the bmw
but the bmw is about 200 lbs lighter

consumer reports stats :
08 accord V6 0-60 = 7.4 sec
08 328i = 6.9 sec


so BMW wins again

HONDA
Acceleration
0 to 30 mph, sec. 3.1
0 to 60 mph, sec. 7.4
45 to 65 mph, sec. 4.8
Quarter-mile, sec 15.8
Quarter-mile, mph 93.0

BMW
0 to 30 mph, sec. 2.6
0 to 60 mph, sec. 6.9
45 to 65 mph, sec. 4.8
Quarter-mile, sec 15.3
Quarter-mile, mph 94.6

[jopa489]

My previous daily driver was a loaded Accord EX-L V6 and the difference in speed 0-60 is negligible between that and my E90. The eco-thinking slushbox in the Accord slowed it down tremendously. AT vs. AT it might be pretty close, but throw a 6MT in the 328 and it's a little different story.

Not bashing the Accord, it's a great car and I enjoyed having one as my daily. Comfortable, smooth, and enough balls with the V6 to be mildly amusing. Would take the 328 over it though, any day.

[VTECaddict]

plenty of V6 family sedans nowadays can easily keep up with or even outrun the 328i in just straight acceleration. but of course they dont handle anywhere near as well.

[blue2fire]

Originally Posted by jopa489

My previous daily driver was a loaded Accord EX-L V6 and the difference in speed 0-60 is negligible between that and my E90. The eco-thinking slushbox in the Accord slowed it down tremendously. AT vs. AT it might be pretty close, but throw a 6MT in the 328 and it's a little different story.

Hmm, that was exactly the opposite of what i would have thought. Having driven the 6MT E90, i strongly feel that the Honda has the better MT. The one in the BMW feels rubbery and imprecise in comparison.

I do agree that the AT in the Accord is a POS, everyone in Honda R&D must be too busy to bother making a proper one.

[Bimmerdriver17]

328 ftw

[ellipsis212]

Originally Posted by blue2fire

Having driven the 6MT E90, i strongly feel that the Honda has the better MT. The one in the BMW feels rubbery and imprecise in comparison.

I do agree that the AT in the Accord is a POS, everyone in Honda R&D must be too busy to bother making a proper one.

you can't buy the 271hp V6 Accord with MT anyway

[roadkillrob]

Originally Posted by ellipsis212

you can't buy the 271hp V6 Accord with MT anyway

You can if it is an Accord Coupe!

[DenverJayhawk]

IMO, Honda MT > BMW MT, especially when it comes to something like an S2000.

I have no doubt a MT Accord V6 will easily give a 328 a run for its money in straight line race. The 328i has the benefit of rwd so it should theoretically be slightly quicker off the line and have superior overall handling. But in a 1/4 mile drag race, my money is on an Accord V6 MT.

[ellipsis212]

Originally Posted by roadkillrob

You can if it is an Accord Coupe!

my bad, forgot they even made a coupe.

[Dr.G]

You guys are right on the money on how i felt before the race... surely that 328 should edge out ahead MT or AT but heres how it went down

from the 0 start with stability off and first gear gave it a bit of revs "about 1500 or 2000' with left foot brake and let it go. i manually switched the AT from 1st to 2nd to third about 100 rpms above redline. Off the line he got a HUGE jump on me maybe 2 cars. but by the time we got to 70 mph i was next to him and by the time we got over 100 mph i was way ahead. i mean ahead and pulling away faster and faster. then we ran out of road

next run from the about 10 mph rolling we were both in 1st gear and this again led to him getting a jump on the accord in the start but only by about 1 car length then i pulled away again

the 3rd setup we did at about 40 mph rolling once from 1st gear and once from 2nd gear and this was no contest" i think this is due to the different gear ratios in teh accord" it will do 75 mph in 2nd gear whereas he had to shift more bc he had the 7 sp

we also wanted to do a top gear passing lane test but i told him not to bother bc i had less gears than him and even if i could prevent it from down shifting it wasn't a fair comparison.

This might seem like a stupid test but its important to us bc we are both BMW fanatics. And a 4dr accord whale should not be able to do this! And i don't think honda went over board on the power in the accord i think BMW is underpowering the 328. My friend has a lease on that bmw and the price tag of it was a ridiculous +60k "he has EVERY option on it". Yes you can say that bmw is better dynamically in every other respect as i have stated above but the honda steering although not as organic as the BMW is very sharp, no play in the wheel, none. and its very stable at speed. So for the purpose of what they are both designed for they are EXCELLENT. However it just seems like the 328 needs more power even though it is bmws entry model 3series.

I know the numbers on the accord say it should not have done what it did but they somehow feel off. Could it have been the fact that the stability vsa was off and that i used the gear selector to shift?

[roozie2001]

i didnt know u can load a 328 to 60 and why does anyone need every option? for 60k he coulda got a fully loaded 335. or a lower level m3. so i think he had one put over on him. 2nd if speed is your thing theres 2 other options. 328 is as quick as or quicker than most of its competition. I dont think BMW wants to make the 328 close to 335 power. thats why theres what a 70hp difference between the two and a 111 hp difference between the 335 and M3.


ps. i just priced out a 328 fully loaded with msport which your friend doesnt have and the 2009 bmws have a higher price point than his and it came out to 52k with no negotiating. So his shoulda been under 50k drive out

[DenverJayhawk]

Originally Posted by Dr.G

You guys are right on the money on how i felt before the race... surely that 328 should edge out ahead MT or AT but heres how it went down

from the 0 start with stability off and first gear gave it a bit of revs "about 1500 or 2000' with left foot brake and let it go. i manually switched the AT from 1st to 2nd to third about 100 rpms above redline. Off the line he got a HUGE jump on me maybe 2 cars. but by the time we got to 70 mph i was next to him and by the time we got over 100 mph i was way ahead. i mean ahead and pulling away faster and faster. then we ran out of road

next run from the about 10 mph rolling we were both in 1st gear and this again led to him getting a jump on the accord in the start but only by about 1 car length then i pulled away again

the 3rd setup we did at about 40 mph rolling once from 1st gear and once from 2nd gear and this was no contest" i think this is due to the different gear ratios in teh accord" it will do 75 mph in 2nd gear whereas he had to shift more bc he had the 7 sp

we also wanted to do a top gear passing lane test but i told him not to bother bc i had less gears than him and even if i could prevent it from down shifting it wasn't a fair comparison.

This might seem like a stupid test but its important to us bc we are both BMW fanatics. And a 4dr accord whale should not be able to do this! And i don't think honda went over board on the power in the accord i think BMW is underpowering the 328. My friend has a lease on that bmw and the price tag of it was a ridiculous +60k "he has EVERY option on it". Yes you can say that bmw is better dynamically in every other respect as i have stated above but the honda steering although not as organic as the BMW is very sharp, no play in the wheel, none. and its very stable at speed. So for the purpose of what they are both designed for they are EXCELLENT. However it just seems like the 328 needs more power even though it is bmws entry model 3series.

I know the numbers on the accord say it should not have done what it did but they somehow feel off. Could it have been the fact that the stability vsa was off and that i used the gear selector to shift?

Your 4 door accord has the benefit of more HP. Your results are not unexpected at all. More HP usually equate to a higher top end. That's why the 1/4 mile times are more important that 0-60 when gauging the overall capability of a vehicle's straight line performance. Look at a Porsche 911 turbo. There's maybe two or three production ready cars that can out run it to 60mph on a regular basis. But once you get beyond 100mph, there's a far greater number of cars that are showing the 911 their taillights due to the benefit of greater HP.

A person who buys a BMW looking for drag racing bragging rights made an uninformed decision. Yes, even when it's a 335. You can get far more performance for much less money if you just want straight line speed.

[Dr.G]

Originally Posted by roozie2001

i didnt know u can load a 328 to 60 and why does anyone need every option? for 60k he coulda got a fully loaded 335. or a lower level m3. so i think he had one put over on him. 2nd if speed is your thing theres 2 other options. 328 is as quick as or quicker than most of its competition. I dont think BMW wants to make the 328 close to 335 power. thats why theres what a 70hp difference between the two and a 111 hp difference between the 335 and M3.


ps. i just priced out a 328 fully loaded with msport which your friend doesnt have and the 2009 bmws have a higher price point than his and it came out to 52k with no negotiating. So his shoulda been under 50k drive out

http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...ZId1hUbJXeSg==

i got it similar to what he has but he leased it instead of buyign it and you can't negotiate a price if u want to buy it out after a lease they are tough at that dealership

its those 19 inch wheels that set him back a lot but they are really sexy... ouhh and heavy ! i think i found the awnser!

He also likes to load him cars with options. We are both well off and enjoy the ammenities, but to be honest i like the features in the accord more than my just ordered m3. I wish i can rip out the nav system and through it into the bmw

[GnokGnik]

The accord is THE BEST (imo) car for the reasonable consumer. I think the V6 in the accord is misplaced though. The i-4 is so freaking reliable and at close to 200hp it should be enough for any family/grocery mover.

[mylydiamy]

BMW is a over priced car. This applies to each model starting from 328 all awat to 7 series. You could get cars with more power and have better build quality for less. Infiniti and Acura is much better when price is taken under consederation.

[mmm def]

Accord V6 moves..at least until 4th gear where it falls on its face.

[Dr.G]

Originally Posted by mmm def

Accord V6 moves..at least until 4th gear where it falls on its face.

agreed +1
I live in Las vegas so the V6 is important to help the AC especially up a hill, in a hot car the i-4 has difficulty getting the car cooled and up to speed easily

otherwise the i-4 is the sensible choice without a doubt

[Dr.G]

Originally Posted by GnokGnik

The accord is THE BEST (imo) car for the reasonable consumer. I think the V6 in the accord is misplaced though. The i-4 is so freaking reliable and at close to 200hp it should be enough for any family/grocery mover.

+2

[jayely1]

My dad has the 09 accord coupe I-4. Its decently peppy and exhaust note is actually pretty rumbly...for an accord anyways. Im jealous how nothing in his car rattles and my Bmw does

[jopa489]

Originally Posted by GnokGnik

The accord is THE BEST (imo) car for the reasonable consumer. I think the V6 in the accord is misplaced though. The i-4 is so freaking reliable and at close to 200hp it should be enough for any family/grocery mover.

+3