318D

Vinc3 · 08-24-2009, 08:35 AM

Is it the turbo, the ECU mapping, both?

If they have the same 2.0L engine, what's the difference?

It seems pointless spending loads of extra money if I can re-map the 318d and squeeze the same out of the engine... I'm guessing it's to do with boost? Smaller turbo perhaps and less boost?

Cheers...

xenon · 08-24-2009, 08:38 AM

There are a number of differences (e.g. camshaft, mapping), turbo is the same, but you can easily map a 318d to exceed bog-standard 320d power. If you don't mind voiding the warranty....

gerbil_b · 08-24-2009, 07:52 PM

Its the same as the 320i and the 318i i am lead to believe. I know its a lot harder to get gains through a petrol with a remap but i am sure it can be done as long as you dont mind losing the warranty haha.

Vinc3 · 08-25-2009, 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xenon

There are a number of differences (e.g. camshaft, mapping), turbo is the same, but you can easily map a 318d to exceed bog-standard 320d power. If you don't mind voiding the warranty....

Is there a different cam profile then?

If the turbo is the same and it's the same engine, then I can't see why the 318d won't be able to push the same power as the 320d...

What's the standard BMW warranty on engine failure? if it's 3 years or 60k, then I've passed that already, so I'm gonna re-map mine.

I still need to know the differences, if any... anyone???

Cheers

creepy coupe · 08-25-2009, 07:28 AM

Same bore and stroke, so as per Xenon's comments, mapping, boost and so on.

dxb335d · 08-25-2009, 07:52 AM

May even have different injectors? who knows?

xenon · 08-25-2009, 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dxb335d

May even have different injectors? who knows?

I do.

(they are different)

dxb335d · 08-25-2009, 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xenon

I do.

(they are different)

there you go, so more than just a map, i would expect then the 318d injectors to
be pants and maxed out even with just a re-map!

Em135eye · 08-25-2009, 09:09 AM

Xenon - do you work for BMW? Your knowledge of them is quite astonishing! While I tend to immerse myself in car geekery when I get a new one, I have never reached your level!

xenon · 08-25-2009, 09:12 AM

Nope, I'm just a bit sad like that.... I've owned a number and been a moderator on the BMWCar Magazine forum for quite a while. You pick stuff up......

creepy coupe · 08-25-2009, 09:18 AM

Yeah he does come in useful from time to time

Em135eye · 08-25-2009, 09:19 AM

Well I verge on Asperger's Syndrome with my general car knowledge (so mates and relatives tell me) but tend not to get too immersed in the mechanics of cars - just what model does what, bhp of pretty much any car post 1980s, how much they are worth, help mates source cars, etc. So a beginner really!

xenon · 08-25-2009, 09:39 AM

Go on then - without Googling (be honest) what's the power of my 1990 944S2?

Em135eye · 08-25-2009, 09:45 AM

I'm going to have to slightly guess here - 177bhp?

Actually that's (roughly) for the 924 turbo. 3 litre engine and the turbo was 250bhp so more like a whisker over 200?

xenon · 08-25-2009, 09:46 AM

Tsk. 212bhp.

Em135eye · 08-25-2009, 09:47 AM

See my hasty editing... I was thinking of the wrong car (dad had two 924 turbos and a 928)

dxb335d · 08-25-2009, 09:48 AM

whats the 944 Porscha has?

xenon · 08-25-2009, 09:48 AM

There was never a 3.0 turbo. All the turbos were 8v 2.5s, the earlier were 220bhp and the later were 250bhp. All 2.5 though.

xenon · 08-25-2009, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dxb335d

whats the 944 Porscha has?

944 Lux 8v.

dxb335d · 08-25-2009, 09:51 AM

which is what litre and what Hp? How come hers is wide arched?

xenon · 08-25-2009, 09:54 AM

All 944s are wide-arched. As I said earlier, the 8v Lux is 2.5 litre, 163 bhp. Not particularly fast but handles beautifully.

Em135eye · 08-25-2009, 09:56 AM

Xenon - I thought the N/A S2 was 3 litre and the turbo was 2.5? I may be wrong though. In fact I probably am.

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