If AS is so good, then why doesn't BMW include the option on the "M" models?

Tony · 10-11-2006, 02:48 PM

Just curious. In the other thread people are saying that Active Steering is a performance option. If so then why doesn't BMW include AS (it isn't even an option) on the "M"cars?

Russellnyc · 10-11-2006, 02:50 PM

Because it's not a performance option.

Borti · 10-11-2006, 02:54 PM

It defenitely is not a 'performance' option. Active Steering is purely for less effort at parking lot speeds so you can maneuver the car with more ease. It makes the steering less mechanical and gives it a filtered/ artificial feeling that a performance purist probably would not prefer. I know I absolutely would not want it on my car as the mechanical and very direct steering is something BMW is known for (though as cruising AS and normal steering have the same feel).

canucklion · 10-11-2006, 02:55 PM

why doesn't BMW include heads-up display on their M model?

Tony · 10-11-2006, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Borti

It defenitely is not a 'performance' option. Active Steering is purely for less effort at parking lot speeds so you can maneuver the car with more ease. It makes the steering less mechanical and gives it a filtered/ artificial feeling that a performance purist probably would not prefer. I know I absolutely would not want it on my car as the mechanical and very direct steering is something BMW is known for (though as cruising AS and normal steering have the same feel).

I'm also of the opinion that AS is really only beneficial in parking-lot/Multi-story parking garage situations (Low speed benefit only). As far as I know, Active steering reverts back to the stock ratio at any speed other than parking lot speeds. So when folks say that “AS saved my life because I was able to do a quicker high speed lane change on the highway” I’m not sure what they are talking about or even what to make of that statement.

yEeHaW · 10-11-2006, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by canucklion

why doesn't BMW include heads-up display on their M model?

they do ... see m5/m6 (even extended)

Tony · 10-11-2006, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by canucklion

why doesn't BMW include heads-up display on their M model?

They do include the "head-up" display on their "M" models. What are you talking about? Remember the "speed test drive" when Hans-Stuk (sp?) had the M6 up to 193mph on the Autobahn? That M6 had the heads-up display.

PiperD · 10-11-2006, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Tony

Just curious. In the other thread people are saying that Active Steering is a performance option. If so then why doesn't BMW include AS (it isn't even an option) on the "M"cars?

1) There's no correlation between what "people say" and what BMW does
2) This sort of question is a great formula for 4 pages of opinionated rambling

canucklion · 10-11-2006, 03:09 PM

sorry I wasn't specific, I meant the M3.

Russellnyc · 10-11-2006, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by canucklion

sorry I wasn't specific, I meant the M3.

Forthcoming M3 is supposed to have one.

bmwexecutive · 10-11-2006, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by canucklion

sorry I wasn't specific, I meant the M3.

Because HID wasn't available when the current-style M3 came out. They're saving it for the new M3 coming out next year.

GS833 · 10-11-2006, 03:39 PM

Because AS takes away from the steering feel and feedback. Making it less of a "driver's car", which is what an M model is all about.
I had it in my previous car (it was already on it) and I DID NOT order it on my 335. It is definately a convinience option and NOT performance oriented at all.

Tony · 10-11-2006, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 330iE90

Because AS takes away from the steering feel and feedback. Making it less of a "driver's car", which is what an M model is all about.
I had it in my previous car (it was already on it) and I DID NOT order it on my 335. It is definately a convinience option and NOT performance oriented at all.

So would it be fair to say that AS isn't really a "drivers" option?

Russellnyc · 10-11-2006, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Tony

So would it be fair to say that AS isn't really a "drivers" option?

YMMV but I, respectfully, see it that way.

BK · 10-11-2006, 04:09 PM

Question has been asked here before. To the OP, I say let it go. For those who like AS, get AS. For those who don't like it, don't knock those that get it.

I've noticed AS is showing up on other luxury cars as well -- I saw at the Lexus event that the LS460 has the Lexus version of AS standard. Maybe that's why they had those tight S curves right before the start line? Do the 750i or S550 come with AS standard?

GS833 · 10-11-2006, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Tony

So would it be fair to say that AS isn't really a "drivers" option?

Totally. But don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing anybody at all. Not everyone is interested in having the most feedback and performance out of their cars. To everyone else AS would be a convenient feature and that's good too.

X E I O · 10-11-2006, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Tony

Just curious. In the other thread people are saying that Active Steering is a performance option. If so then why doesn't BMW include AS (it isn't even an option) on the "M"cars?

Active Steering is a performance option under Build Your Own -> Options -> Performance.

People seem to think that a direct steering ratio is not higher performance. I have to disagree with them and agree with the fact that they are pretty hard headed and cheap.

I can't see how BMW would create something that ruins their steering and sell it at a premium and place it under the performance category.

Its not as if some German guy at an executive meeting got up and said:

Year 2000:
Hey guys!
I can't stand turning the wheel 3 times to park zee car in my reserved spot! FIX DAS SHIZA!
Give me un 5er with some kind of convience option to help me park zee car faster!

This is probably what really happened:

2000:
My fellow engineers... I have unt IDEA!
To out manuver zee Audi drivers at the game of Auto Cross and zee street racing, we will create a steering mechanizm that allows us to steer harder when the car can do so at the lower speeds and steer more appropriately at zee higher speeds on the zee autobahn.. yahh?

Goood! We will release this in zee e60 for 2004.

Hey guys!
You know that Active Steering shit on the fat ass 5er! IT CAN REALLY MAKE zee NEXT 3er turn harder and faster if we implement it better for it.
Fuck the 5er! Let us make a greater 3er for cutting off zee AUDIS!!!
And lets us play their game of TURBO! We will devise a 335i COUPE that can fuck them up with zee active steering and paddle shifters! It will make em shit the shorts they wear !!!
Let us go! We work hard on this! We will get unt BEER and play some rammstein yahh?

X E I O · 10-11-2006, 05:33 PM

I think its really funny that you guys think BMW would release something to ruin their good name and put their engineers to a puddle of tears. You think they're from Detroit or something?

For my own benefit, I encourage all off you to stay clear of active steering! I'll have a grand old time getting around you all on a high way with a cup of java in my right hand. : )

...
I actually don't do that though, I drive to drive and I would never let something ruin that... except maybe my girl.

ward · 10-11-2006, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by X E I O

Active Steering is a performance option under Build Your Own -> Options -> Performance.

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auto tranny is also listed as an "official performance option"

gimmie a break........

Borti · 10-11-2006, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by X E I O

I think its really funny that you guys think BMW would release something to ruin their good name and put their engineers to a puddle of tears. You think they're from Detroit or something?

For my own benefit, I encourage all off you to stay clear of active steering! I'll have a grand old time getting around you all on a high way with a cup of java in my right hand. : )

...
I actually don't do that though, I drive to drive and I would never let something ruin that... except maybe my girl.

There is no difference between AS and standard steering at highway speeds. You have been informed of this multiple times...

SP330 · 10-11-2006, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ward

auto tranny is also listed as an "official performance option"

gimmie a break........

LOL No way.

What is this world coming to?

Its not cheap if you don't like it.

GS833 · 10-11-2006, 08:19 PM

XEIO...just because it's listed as performance doesn't mean it's actually a good thing, it is plainly for convenience so people drinking their "java" don't have to turn the wheel so much when their parking (it only works at low speeds).
You're totally missing the point, I take it you: a) have no/little track and autox driving experience, b) have not driven cars with and without AS to the limit, c) have not read about what it actually does.
How would you like it if you were on a track and midturn you're trying to compensate for the AS kicking in as your speed is increasing? performance? yeah right!!

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