Spelling and grammar.

- Paul - · 12-31-2009, 04:38 AM

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/misspelling

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ed335d · 12-31-2009, 04:50 AM

Thank's paul, thats definately help-ful

Dave_3 · 12-31-2009, 05:39 AM

It's the "would of"s that do my head in.

They're, their and there a close second.

D.

MEGA · 12-31-2009, 06:56 AM

They're is some very interesting information on your post over their

hahaha

In fairness actually though, the your/you're and their/there/they're mis-usages really do wind me up. I have to correct them when I see incorrect signage etc! Other half hates it

I335 · 12-31-2009, 07:01 AM

I consider myself to be well above average when it comes to spelling and grammar, but I have to admit, I've always had a bit of trouble with "definitely" and "effect" vs "affect". Now that you've posted this, I think I have these mastered now as well. Thanks!

Don't know why, but when I see poor spelling and grammar (and not normal "typos") it peeves me a bit.

While we're at it, a couple more common errors that peeve me are...

- brake vs break (be careful not to break your brakes)

- Do anyone has this parts for sell? (it hurts just writing that!)

- No capitalization - i hate that.

prt71 · 12-31-2009, 07:14 AM

"discretely" drives me round the bend

Carrera RSR · 12-31-2009, 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I335

I consider myself to be well above average when it comes to spelling and grammar, but I have to admit, I've always had a bit of trouble with "definitely" and "effect" vs "affect". Now that you've posted this, I think I have these mastered now as well. Thanks!

Don't know why, but when I see poor spelling and grammar (and not normal "typos") it peeves me a bit.

While we're at it, a couple more common errors that peeve me are...

- brake vs break (be careful not to break your brakes)

- Do anyone has this parts for sell? (it hurts just writing that!)

- No capitalization - i hate that.

There is an 's' in capitalisation !!!

I also hate 'It's for free' when it is either 'It's free' or It's for nothing'

peterg1965 · 12-31-2009, 08:53 AM

I am in the Lynne Truss camp when it comes to grammar. Her books are easy to read and very amusing!

Eats, Shoots and Leaves: The zero tolerance approach to punctuation.

I335 · 12-31-2009, 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carrerarsr

There is an 's' in capitalisation !!!

Wrong. It's a 'z', not an 's'...

beemerbird · 12-31-2009, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I335

Wrong. It's a 'z', not an 's'...

Excuse me but I beg to differ. Think we've being writing and speaking the English language be it old or modern English, considerably longer than some other countries.

I do not like 'text speak' used on these boards or the confusion with 'than' and 'then'. Hell I'm getting old.

Carrera RSR · 12-31-2009, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beemerbird

Excuse me but I beg to differ. Think we've being writing and speaking the English language be it old or modern English, considerably longer than some other countries.

I do not like 'text speak' used on these boards or the confusion with 'than' and 'then'. Hell I'm getting old.

English language wuz g8 b4 txtin

dxb335d · 12-31-2009, 09:47 AM

Txt spk dz me nut.

beemerbird · 12-31-2009, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carrerarsr

English language wuz g8 b4 txtin

Where's 'jj' when you need him.

ed335d · 12-31-2009, 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dxb335d

Txt spk dz me nut.

Oh m8 me 2

Takes me ages to write text messages, as they're always in full

SoYank · 12-31-2009, 01:14 PM

Poor spelling or grammar shows inconsideration for the reader. It also distracts from what the author is attempting to say, slows the reader's comprehension, and reflects poorly on the author. Misspell something once it's a typo; misspell it again it's ignorance.

AlanQS · 12-31-2009, 03:42 PM

Sorry Helen, but I think our American cousins have us on the use of "z" instead of "s". It's Britain that changed, not America. We used to use "z" in these words but changed for a reason I don't know. Up to the 1920s, the Times still used "z" where the rest of us used "s".

There is a reason for this kind of thing. The Americans use "Fall" for Autumn, but 16th century Britain used "Fall" as well. For colonies of a parent country which are established far away from home with very infrequent contact, the culture of the colony is always based on the parent country but with more rigidity to that culture because they are far away.

Thus, a lot of sayings and spellings in America have been frozen in time due to the lack of contact in the early centuries. This continued for a sufficient length of time that modern day communications and travel have not been enough to erode that rigidity.

English English has changed and continues to change but American English, although changing in the modern era, will probably always retain those echoes of the old past due to its temporary cultural isolation.

Carrera RSR · 12-31-2009, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlanQS

Sorry Helen, but I think our American cousins have us on the use of "z" instead of "s". It's Britain that changed, not America. We used to use "z" in these words but changed for a reason I don't know. Up to the 1920s, the Times still used "z" where the rest of us used "s".

There is a reason for this kind of thing. The Americans use "Fall" for Autumn, but 16th century Britain used "Fall" as well. For colonies of a parent country which are established far away from home with very infrequent contact, the culture of the colony is always based on the parent country but with more rigidity to that culture because they are far away.

Thus, a lot of sayings and spellings in America have been frozen in time due to the lack of contact in the early centuries. This continued for a sufficient length of time that modern day communications and travel have not been enough to erode that rigidity.

English English has changed and continues to change but American English, although changing in the modern era, will probably always retain those echoes of the old past due to its temporary cultural isolation.

You're only saying that because you are Scottish

Dr Dave · 01-01-2010, 02:19 AM

Breaks and Brakes really grind my gears.

Whenever I see it spelt wrongly, I take the piss and ignore the question.

Fortunately I haven't seen it here on E90Post.

deletedelete · 01-01-2010, 03:54 AM

Didnt some random blokes like 500 years ago mash up a bunch of greek, latin, and new invented words to make up english? So just because some random dude hundreds of years ago decided what proper grammar is supposed to be, doesnt mean that im gonna listen. Grammar is just some human concept like time and clothes that doesnt really affect anything.

Yeah, i just like being a rebel.

Carrera RSR · 01-01-2010, 05:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prowess Symphony

Didnt some random blokes like 500 years ago mash up a bunch of greek, latin, and new invented words to make up english? So just because some random dude hundreds of years ago decided what proper grammar is supposed to be, doesnt mean that im gonna listen. Grammar is just some human concept like time and clothes that doesnt really affect anything.

Yeah, i just like being a rebel.

And that's why we let you have your independence

beemerbird · 01-01-2010, 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlanQS

Sorry Helen, but I think our American cousins have us on the use of "z" instead of "s". It's Britain that changed, not America. We used to use "z" in these words but changed for a reason I don't know. Up to the 1920s, the Times still used "z" where the rest of us used "s".

There is a reason for this kind of thing. The Americans use "Fall" for Autumn, but 16th century Britain used "Fall" as well. For colonies of a parent country which are established far away from home with very infrequent contact, the culture of the colony is always based on the parent country but with more rigidity to that culture because they are far away.

Thus, a lot of sayings and spellings in America have been frozen in time due to the lack of contact in the early centuries. This continued for a sufficient length of time that modern day communications and travel have not been enough to erode that rigidity.

English English has changed and continues to change but American English, although changing in the modern era, will probably always retain those echoes of the old past due to its temporary cultural isolation.

Very good points Alan. Looks like we are continuing with the evolution of the English language unrestrained by isolationism.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prowess Symphony

Didnt some random blokes like 500 years ago mash up a bunch of greek, latin, and new invented words to make up english? So just because some random dude hundreds of years ago decided what proper grammar is supposed to be, doesnt mean that im gonna listen. Grammar is just some human concept like time and clothes that doesnt really affect anything.

Yeah, i just like being a rebel.

Oi, don't forget the Angles, Saxons, Frisians, Jutes (Germanic speaking tribes), Norse, Normans and the Celtic language.

Such rebellion on a monumental scale.

AlanQS · 01-01-2010, 08:26 AM

It's curious that information can change your attitude towards word useage. For instance, Brits still stick an e on certain words - like useage whilst Americans have dropped it to make usage. This happens with a lot of similarly constructed words. Also, the -our to -or in labor, color etc. The Americans have dropped the u in these contexts in nearly every word and we haven't. But we did start to drop the extra u because inferior was once spelled inferiour and emperor was emperour. We still have honour but we use honorific - and there are many words like that too.

So, when we slag them off for words like labor and color, we are behind the times.

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