[MN06BMWDRIVER]

So I currently own an '06 325i CPO and just can't take the fact that it lacks so much off the line power. There is a local dealership that buys a ton of California lemon-law buybacks that has a 2008 335i for about $25,900 with 30,000 miles, of course it was bought back for the HPFP issue. BMWNA confirms that the HPFP will be covered for 10yr/120k and that the 4yr/50k warranty and maintenance will stay in effect. Other than the branded lemon title for a known 335i issue, the car is perfect. Black on black, premium package and sport package.

KBB on a non-lemon is about $32,000.

So for those of you that have dealt with this HPFP problem, is this a good deal? Or should I continue driving my 325i with jealousy every time I see a 335i that I know can leave me in the dust (unless they happen to be on the side of the road because their HPFP failed...)?

On a sidenote, what do you guys all think is a fair private party value for a 2006 CPOed 325i, Silver, PP, Heated Seats, with 34k miles is worth. I'm thinking I can get about $21k for it given its mint condition and BMW CPO coverage. It's also a SA build.

Any thoughts?

[light]

go for it.. awesome deal.

one thing to keep in mind tho, once the HPFP failed,it will most likely fail again.

Good luck!

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

I dont see the problem, its just the HPFP, it will probably fail again until they hopefully get it right. You are not in any more of a worse position then current 335 owners, and you get the car for a steal.

[John 070]

Originally Posted by light

go for it.. awesome deal.

one thing to keep in mind tho, once the HPFP failed,it will most likely fail again.

Good luck!

If this is true (and it seems to be the case from this forum, but we can't after all this time determine if the forum is statistically valid, some say no), then 26k is a lot to spend on a car that has to keep going back to the dealership. If the car is a 2nd car and for play, maybe it's a good deal, but since the car is not reliable, it's a personal opinion.

[EZ_TUR90]

That's a pretty good deal. New, used, lemon, cpo. Your going to have hpfp ! Bmw offers warrenty so rest assured you will be covered for 100k miles.

[sbux]

but u will be having a hard time selling it ........

[dave herzog]

Originally Posted by EZ_TUR90

That's a pretty good deal. New, used, lemon, cpo. Your going to have hpfp ! Bmw offers warrenty so rest assured you will be covered for 100k miles.

the car in question doesn't have cpo.

even it if did, cpo =/= factory warranty. at all.

[Nalod]

335 owners will tell you to go for it.

You can't get objective view hear. In some threads some want this thing to be recalled and are appalled over the lack of support on this issue. They think its dangerous.

THere is not fix to this problem. The new pumps fail.

It may never happen to you.

I got a 328i with sport and am very very happy with my car.

Many many years Ago I said i'd only lease a turbo car. Many 335 owners do lease and at 50k they will say goodbuye. I won't own a turbo car, not anyone's! Nothing against BMW. THis was their first go at a turbo motor and in my opinion they messed it up.

Great car, great performance no doubt!!! These guys love the car until it breaks.

And maybe they are all ok to buy and they will get it fixed.

BUt your resale will always suck cuz your Lemoned forever. Its a mixed bag. Buy cheap, you'll sell cheap.

I drive manuals and the 328i was pretty quick.

"If you need the speed and submit to greed then do the deed!!"

[kgb1637]

Originally Posted by sbux

but u will be having a hard time selling it ........

He's absolutely right, 4 or 5 years down the line you are going to be selling a lemon'd 335i, just a thought, but you are getting a steal straight up.

[socaldz]

Originally Posted by sbux

but u will be having a hard time selling it ........

+100000000000000000000000000

[Bcube]

If the car isn't CPO, or if one can't get a factory extended powertrain warranty on it, then I say no. HPFP is a minor issue with regard to price compared to what else needs replacing between 50K to 100K miles.

[jt335i]

Originally Posted by John 070

If this is true (and it seems to be the case from this forum, but we can't after all this time determine if the forum is statistically valid, some say no), then 26k is a lot to spend on a car that has to keep going back to the dealership. If the car is a 2nd car and for play, maybe it's a good deal, but since the car is not reliable, it's a personal opinion.

Good point John 070.
To add to that, if every single 335i owner was required by law to register on this site and post whether or not they've had the HPFP problem, then this forum could be statistically valid, but that is not the case.

I'm sure there are thousands of other 335i owners who don't know about this forum and so we never hear from them. Because of that, that the number of members on this site represent only a fraction of the entire population of (2007-2010) 335i owners.

Who knows how many have never had their HPFP replaced versus those who have, but it is my assumption that those who haven't had the problem are the majority. This could be the reason why BMW HQ hasn't had flagged this issue on their radar as a high priority because it's only a small percentage of instances of the entire population all over the world as opposed to Toyota which the problem affects virtually every vehicle they recalled. Thus, they only replace it under the warranty.

One of my co-workers has a 2008 335i and when I asked her if she ever had any problems or replaced the HPFP, she said no. So far, my 335i hasn't had any issues either, but it lurks in the back of my mind.

[John 070]

Originally Posted by jt335i

Good point John 070.
To add to that, if every single 335i owner was required by law to register on this site and post whether or not they've had the HPFP problem, then this forum could be statistically valid, but that is not the case.

I'm sure there are thousands of other 335i owners who don't know about this forum and so we never hear from them. Because of that, that the number of members on this site represent only a fraction of the entire population of (2007-2010) 335i owners.

Who knows how many have never had their HPFP replaced versus those who have, but it is my assumption that those who haven't had the problem are the majority. There's a HPFP survery that someone did and there were 286 members who responded to it. I'm sure there were those didn't care to respond, but the data percentages showed that there are more (66.08%) who never had the HPFP replaced versus those who had it replaced (33.92%). If you magnify those stats to include the entire 335i population, this could be the reason why BMW HQ hasn't had flagged this issue on their radar as a high priority because it's only a small number of instances. Thus, they only replace it under the warranty.

One of my co-workers has a 2008 335i and when I asked her if she ever had any problems or replaced the HPFP, she said no. So far, my 335i hasn't had any issues either, but it lurks in the back of my mind.

I am in the category where I haven't had a hpfp, at 17,500. My car has died twice, knock on wood, I hope that's resolved.

One thing one can't get with a BMW is that peace-of-mind if they are a perfectionist. The commercial is cliche, but of all your friends that own Hondas, has their car ever been in the shop under warranty, unexpectedly? It's no surprise if a Honda owner says they have never brought their car in for a warranty repair. Of course until lately, we'd expect the same of Toyota. I know with my Nissan, in 12 years and 187k, only cv joints and exhaust have been repaired, that's it. So that's what's lacking in a BMW, whether a 3, 5, 7, Mx, Xx, Zx. They are not reliable and I'm convinced nobody ever designed them to be as such. Selling extended warranties and extended maint. is part of the corporate business model and revenue generators.

So back to the OP, 26 doesnt' sound like a lot for a 335 given some of us have already paid 44k+ on one (I know I wouldn't give mine up for 26k, not even 36k), but if it's your only car and you know it's a lemon, it may be too much.

[MN06BMWDRIVER]

Any thoughts on the value for the '06 325i CPO w/ about 34k mi.?

[aspiring335]

Originally Posted by Bargamon

THis was their first go at a turbo motor and in my opinion they messed it up.

Blasphemy! BMW launched the 2002 turbo in 1973, and the 745i (also turbocharged) in 1979 or 1980.

[Dan in PA]

Originally Posted by MN06BMWDRIVER

Any thoughts on the value for the '06 325i CPO w/ about 34k mi.?

Well, I bought my '06 325i ZSP/ZPP/ZCW with xenons for 19 even with similar mileage, however it was non-CPO.

[dmz]

Just a couple of correction here, BMW have been producing turbo engines for a long time. They did stop making turbo motor for a while. But the N54 this is certainly not BMW first go at a turbo motor. Check your BMW history.
Also, the HPFP have nothing to do with the turbos on engine. The reason the N54 motor needs a HPFP is because it's a direct injection motor. If BMW made a NA Direct Injection motor it would still have a HPFP in it.

Originally Posted by Bargamon

335 owners will tell you to go for it.

You can't get objective view hear. In some threads some want this thing to be recalled and are appalled over the lack of support on this issue. They think its dangerous.

THere is not fix to this problem. The new pumps fail.

It may never happen to you.

I got a 328i with sport and am very very happy with my car.

Many many years Ago I said i'd only lease a turbo car. Many 335 owners do lease and at 50k they will say goodbuye. I won't own a turbo car, not anyone's! Nothing against BMW. THis was their first go at a turbo motor and in my opinion they messed it up.

Great car, great performance no doubt!!! These guys love the car until it breaks.

And maybe they are all ok to buy and they will get it fixed.

BUt your resale will always suck cuz your Lemoned forever. Its a mixed bag. Buy cheap, you'll sell cheap.

I drive manuals and the 328i was pretty quick.

"If you need the speed and submit to greed then do the deed!!"

[vasillalov]

Originally Posted by dmz

Just a couple of correction here, BMW have been producing turbo engines for a long time. They did stop making turbo motor for a while. But the N54 this is certainly not BMW first go at a turbo motor. Check your BMW history.
Also, the HPFP have nothing to do with the turbos on engine. The reason the N54 motor needs a HPFP is because it's a direct injection motor. If BMW made a NA Direct Injection motor it would still have a HPFP in it.

BINGO!

Perfect example: the 2.0L FSI and TFSI engines Audi/VW makes. They come in both turbocharged and naturally aspirated variants (europe only) and both exhibit HPFP issues since both are direct-injection.

And just to be even more clear, Mitsubishi did a direct injection engine (GDI) way back in the early 90's. Naturally aspirated. Total disaster. They ended up loosing so much money on warranty repairs on those engines that they completely discontinued an entire engine line up that was using the GDI technology.

[John 070]

Originally Posted by vasillalov

BINGO!

Perfect example: the 2.0L FSI and TFSI engines Audi/VW makes. They come in both turbocharged and naturally aspirated variants (europe only) and both exhibit HPFP issues since both are direct-injection.

And just to be even more clear, Mitsubishi did a direct injection engine (GDI) way back in the early 90's. Naturally aspirated. Total disaster. They ended up loosing so much money on warranty repairs on those engines that they completely discontinued an entire engine line up that was using the GDI technology.

Our in-laws have a '99 Passat, with a 2.0? turbo. It's got over 200k, and had it's share of the annoying German car things failing, but nothing like a fuel pump or turbo (radio, blower motor, wipers, basically electricals)...

[samchoi604]

If you have another car in the garage as a backup vehicle or daily driver, go for it. Otherwise.. not a smart move to use a 335i as a daily driver. 325i would be much more ideal.

[DBerg]

Originally Posted by MN06BMWDRIVER

So I currently own an '06 325i CPO and just can't take the fact that it lacks so much off the line power. There is a local dealership that buys a ton of California lemon-law buybacks that has a 2008 335i for about $25,900 with 30,000 miles, of course it was bought back for the HPFP issue. BMWNA confirms that the HPFP will be covered for 10yr/120k and that the 4yr/50k warranty and maintenance will stay in effect. Other than the branded lemon title for a known 335i issue, the car is perfect. Black on black, premium package and sport package.

KBB on a non-lemon is about $32,000.

So for those of you that have dealt with this HPFP problem, is this a good deal? Or should I continue driving my 325i with jealousy every time I see a 335i that I know can leave me in the dust (unless they happen to be on the side of the road because their HPFP failed...)?

On a sidenote, what do you guys all think is a fair private party value for a 2006 CPOed 325i, Silver, PP, Heated Seats, with 34k miles is worth. I'm thinking I can get about $21k for it given its mint condition and BMW CPO coverage. It's also a SA build.

Any thoughts?

What's the name of the dealer you refer to?

[dab3]

So, lemon buybacks cannot be CPO'ed? I would see if you can get an alternative extended warranty added.