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Satellite Radio, AUX In, DICE Silverline and the Z4

Hi Everyone,

I'd like to talk about an important topic that creates some large confusion here on the Internet -- satellite radio, AUX Inputs and the Z4...

First, some clarification on radios. The U.S. spec Z4 was offered with two radios -- one with "DSP", and one without. You'll be able to tell if you have the "high end" DSP system be pressing the button on the left of the radio with the music note on it -- keep pressing it and if you see a selection like "Jazz Club" or "Concert" or "Church", you have DSP. Of course you can also check your window sticker if you still have it.

Whether or not you have DSP is very important if you intend to add Satellite radio to your car. IF you have DSP in your car, you will need to run a harness from the front of the radio to the back of the car (underneath the center console). Why? BMW did not wire Z4s with Satellite Radio wiring if the car was a DSP vehicle. They might have in later years, but I know for a fact my 2005 did not have the wiring.

SATELLITE RADIO....

In order to install either OEM Sirius or aftermarket XM Direct satellite radio, you will need a 6 pin connector and a 3pin connector (see below on how to look for them). The 3pin connector is already back there regardless of whether you have DSP or not, but if you have the DSP system, the 6 pin connector is not there on 2003-2005 cars (2006+ SHOULD have it).

This is the 6pin audio cable you will need. The white connector plugs into the radio, and the black 6 pin connector is run underneath the center console to the back of the car:

http://www.europeanautosource.com/pr...ehicles-12-pin


Your 6 pin connector provides the audio signal, the 3 pin connector provides power, ground and a data bus signal for the devices to communicate amongst each other.

Again, vehicles that DO NOT have the 6 pin audio cable, the harness that you need to buy and run from the front of the radio to the back of the car provides you with a 6 pin connector. If you DO NOT have DSP, this connector SHOULD already be back there. (Can someone with the non-dsp system please verify this?)

How can I tell if I have the 3pin and 6pin connectors? Not so easy. The 3pin and 6pin connectors are buried in the Z4, and are not easy to get to. You'll want to check out the CD Changer installation directions to locate the 3pin and 6pin connectors. NOTE: If you have DSP, you'll have a 3pin connector and a small coaxial connector. This is why if you have a '03 to '05 car, you need to run the harness from the radio if you have DSP -- you need that 6 pin connector.

The instructions for a CD Changer installation are here. You'll want to stop in the instructions where you start installing the CD Changer brackets (we're not installing a CD Changer here! ). You'll have to do all the disassembly in the instructions -- about a 2 hour job if you haven't done it before. Again, this is only if you want to check your wiring -- you'll have to do this anyway if you want to install satellite radio.

The CD Changer instructions are here:

http://www.unofficialbmw.com/images/6042EN.pdf


The part # for the 6pin harness that you must run (if you have DSP) is 84 11 0 150 525. It costs about 20 bucks. European Auto Source carries it or your dealer can order it.


Can I have both the AUX Input and Satellite radio? Yes! YES YES YES...I keep hearing people say you can't have satellite radio and another device (such as a DICE Silverline Ipod adapter or AUX Input). Yes you can! Here's how it works.

For DSP vehicles, you have two open connectors on the back of the radio. You'll want to plug in the BMW OEM Aux Input to the back of the radio, and then run the DSP harness (noted above) to the back of the car. This will use up both inputs on the back of the radio. Again, this is only for '05+ vehicles with DSP.

For '03-'04 vehicles with DSP, you will still need to run the harness to the back of the car if you want satellite radio/aftermarket CD Changer/Dice Silverline/etc. If you want to use the OEM BMW CD changer, you won't have to run the harness.

For non-DSP vehicles (both '03-'04 and '05+), you'll want to 'daisy chain' the two devices together. You already have the 3pin and 6pin connectors in the back. Plug in the satellite radio device to the back of the car using the 3pin and 6pin connectors (this is true whether you are using a BMW OEM Sirius unit, or a aftermarket adapter like a Blitzsafe / XM Direct tuner combo, like one at European Auto Source). From there, plug in either the Aux In, DICE Silverline, or CD Changer to the OEM Sirius *or* the Blitzsafe adapter. Both the OEM BMW Sirius tuner and the Blitzsafe adapter have a connector for daisy chaining devices. Both the 3pin connector and 6pin connector are available on either device. Again, for '03-'04 cars, I believe you can only have one device hooked in, but I'm not 100% sure on that ('03-'04 owners let me know).

I plan on editing this post to post pictures and give a bit more info about the process. Once again, all of this applies only to 05+ vehicles. If you have an '03-'04, I believe you can do just one device, and I believe it's only Satellite Radio (OEM BMW Sirius or Blitzsafe / XM Direct), or a DICE Silverline Ipod adapter. I don't believe the AUX Input will work with the '03-'04 radios.

I hope this helps people. If any '03-'04 owners want to help contribute to this post, please do so and I'll revise the information.

Note that the X3 has the same radio as our Z4s, so if you know of anyone with a X3, they can help us gather some more info.

Thanks,

Chris

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Great info! Thanks!!

Now if only I could have an ipod connection in my '05 (with DSP) along with the factory installed CD changer. I opted to install an AUX input instead. Not nearly as good, but it does the job I guess.
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The only way I could see you having DICE and a CD Changer would be to possibly get an Alpine (non BMW) CD Changer with a Blitzsafe adapter. The Blitzsafe adapter would have to have a 'slave' connector on it such that you could plug the DICE Ipod adapter into it. You need to 'daisy chain' the two devices together, and if that cannot be done, than you are stuck.

Be thankful, at least we have the AUX Input I know in prior years you couldn't even get that.

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How do you tell whether your system is Analog DSP or Digital DSP? The EAS order page for the DICE Silverline Pro has the three options: Analog (non DSP), Analog DSP, and Digital DSP, with the last adding $90 to the cost.
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How do you tell whether your system is Analog DSP or Digital DSP? The EAS order page for the DICE Silverline Pro has the three options: Analog (non DSP), Analog DSP, and Digital DSP, with the last adding $90 to the cost.
The first question to answer is whether you have the high end DSP stereo or not. Check your window sticker or verify if you have DSP settings in your radio (keep hitting the music note button on your radio, you'll see the DSP settings if you have it).

From there you either have Analog DSP or Digital. Analog DSP (I believe) was for 2007 and up. 2006 and below had Digital DSP. (Can someone please confirm this?).

You can tell if you have Digital DSP ('03-'05 cars do have Digital DSP, if you have DSP at all...) by looking at the CD Changer connectors. Unfortunately the CD Changer connectors are buried in the car, and you need to take the whole upper console apart to see them.

If your car is an '03-'05, don't bother, you have digital DSP (if you have the premium DSP system).

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well, sorry to get this thread back to live but Im looking for an usb and ipod system for my z4 but as it looks like I have to know if I have dsp but as I retrofitted my nav system I dont know if I have it or not, any input?btw I dont have that music sign on my radio
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If you retrofitted the NAV, its pretty simple, on the main menu you'd have a "DSP" option to select.

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Hi Everyone,

I'd like to talk about an important topic that creates some large confusion here on the Internet -- satellite radio, AUX Inputs and the Z4...

First, some clarification on radios. The U.S. spec Z4 was offered with two radios -- one with "DSP", and one without. You'll be able to tell if you have the "high end" DSP system be pressing the button on the left of the radio with the music note on it -- keep pressing it and if you see a selection like "Jazz Club" or "Concert" or "Church", you have DSP. Of course you can also check your window sticker if you still have it.

Whether or not you have DSP is very important if you intend to add Satellite radio to your car. IF you have DSP in your car, you will need to run a harness from the front of the radio to the back of the car (underneath the center console). Why? BMW did not wire Z4s with Satellite Radio wiring if the car was a DSP vehicle. They might have in later years, but I know for a fact my 2005 did not have the wiring.

SATELLITE RADIO....

In order to install either OEM Sirius or aftermarket XM Direct satellite radio, you will need a 6 pin connector and a 3pin connector (see below on how to look for them). The 3pin connector is already back there regardless of whether you have DSP or not, but if you have the DSP system, the 6 pin connector is not there. If you have the normal Hi-Fi system, the 6pin connector *should* be back there.

Your 6 pin connector provides the audio signal, the 3 pin connector provides power, ground and a data bus signal for the devices to communicate amongst each other.

Again, for DSP equipped vehicle, the harness that you need to buy and run from the front of the radio to the back of the car provides you with a 6 pin connector. If you DO NOT have DSP, this connector SHOULD already be back there. (Can someone with the non-dsp system please verify this?)

How can I tell if I have the 3pin and 6pin connectors? Not so easy. The 3pin and 6pin connectors are buried in the Z4, and are not easy to get to. You'll want to check out the CD Changer installation directions to locate the 3pin and 6pin connectors. NOTE: If you have DSP, you'll have a 3pin connector and a small coaxial connector. This is why you need to run the harness from the radio if you have DSP -- you need that 6 pin connector.

The instructions for a CD Changer installation are here. You'll want to stop in the instructions where you start installing the CD Changer brackets (we're not installing a CD Changer here! ). You'll have to do all the disassembly in the instructions -- about a 2 hour job if you haven't done it before. Again, this is only if you want to check your wiring -- you'll have to do this anyway if you want to install satellite radio.

The CD Changer instructions are here:

http://www.unofficialbmw.com/images/6042EN.pdf


The part # for the 6pin harness that you must run (if you have DSP) is 84 11 0 150 525. It costs about 20 bucks. European Autosport carries it or your dealer can order it.


Can I have both the AUX Input and Satellite radio? Yes! YES YES YES...I keep hearing people say you can't have satellite radio and another device (such as a DICE Silverline Ipod adapter or AUX Input). Yes you can! Here's how it works.

For DSP vehicles, you have two open connectors on the back of the radio. You'll want to plug in the BMW OEM Aux Input to the back of the radio, and then run the DSP harness (noted above) to the back of the car. This will use up both inputs on the back of the radio. Again, this is only for '05 vehicles with DSP.

For '03-'04 vehicles with DSP, you will still need to run the harness to the back of the car if you want satellite radio/aftermarket CD Changer/Dice Silverline/etc. If you want to use the OEM BMW CD changer, you won't have to run the harness.

For non-DSP vehicles (both '03-'04 and '05 ), you'll want to 'daisy chain' the two devices together. You already have the 3pin and 6pin connectors in the back. Plug in the satellite radio device to the back of the car using the 3pin and 6pin connectors (this is true whether you are using a BMW OEM Sirius unit, or a aftermarket adapter like a Blitzsafe / XM Direct tuner combo, like one at European Autosport). From there, plug in either the Aux In, DICE Silverline, or CD Changer to the OEM Sirius *or* the Blitzsafe adapter. Both the OEM BMW Sirius tuner and the Blitzsafe adapter have a connector for daisy chaining devices. Both the 3pin connector and 6pin connector are available on either device. Again, for '03-'04 cars, I believe you can only have one device hooked in, but I'm not 100% sure on that ('03-'04 owners let me know).

I plan on editing this post to post pictures and give a bit more info about the process. Once again, all of this applies only to 05 vehicles. If you have an '03-'04, I believe you can do just one device, and I believe it's only Satellite Radio (OEM BMW Sirius or Blitzsafe / XM Direct), or a DICE Silverline Ipod adapter. I don't believe the AUX Input will work with the '03-'04 radios.

I hope this helps people. If any '03-'04 owners want to help contribute to this post, please do so and I'll revise the information.

Note that the X3 has the same radio as our Z4s, so if you know of anyone with a X3, they can help us gather some more info.

Thanks,

Chris
Or if you want satellite radio you can get an Intravee II and a Sir-Alp1 that plugs right into the radio module in the trunk even with DSP with no wires to run to the front.

Then, if you wanted a changer, buy an Alpine unit with AI-net and plug it into the Sir-Alp1.

I've had this satellite arrangement for about a year now and it works as well as the factory one in my wife's 335.
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If you retrofitted the NAV, its pretty simple, on the main menu you'd have a "DSP" option to select.

Chris
I dont think I have that thanks mate, I just dont want any surprses after buying my intravee or gateway300, still havent decide
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Dice Mediabridge is good.
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I've had this satellite arrangement for about a year now and it works as well as the factory one in my wife's 335.
The older Z4s (2003-2005) did not have the analog audio cable that newer cars (2006+) have installed at the factory. I know this as my '05 3.0 did not have the cable (but did have DSP), but my '06 Z4M did have the cable installed at the factory.

You will need this cable regardless of which solution you choose.
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The older Z4s (2003-2005) did not have the analog audio cable that newer cars (2006+) have installed at the factory. I know this as my '05 3.0 did not have the cable (but did have DSP), but my '06 Z4M did have the cable installed at the factory.

You will need this cable regardless of which solution you choose.
I have DSP and my present hookup is Sir-Alp 1 connected with an AI-net cable to the Intravee II, which has a single ibus cable from it into the radio module in the trunk (same place you plug in the changer). I have no other cables connected and certainly none going to the front of the car-everything is in the trunk. This must be digital because the radio communicates with the Intravee II and satellite station info is displayed on my nav. This is also the reason it sounds good-no analog in the middle.
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I have DSP and my present hookup is Sir-Alp 1 connected with an AI-net cable to the Intravee II, which has a single ibus cable from it into the radio module in the trunk (same place you plug in the changer). I have no other cables connected and certainly none going to the front of the car-everything is in the trunk. This must be digital because the radio communicates with the Intravee II and satellite station info is displayed on my nav. This is also the reason it sounds good-no analog in the middle.
Hey quick question do you have any interference using your sir-alp module? I sometimes seem to experience "alternator whine". I dont want to tear up my trunk again if this is a somewhat common issue. I dont always have it just once in a while i do
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Hey quick question do you have any interference using your sir-alp module? I sometimes seem to experience "alternator whine". I dont want to tear up my trunk again if this is a somewhat common issue. I dont always have it just once in a while i do
Never had a whine. I have my sir-alp module powered straight off the battery and that may be why. Hope this helps.
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Hey quick question do you have any interference using your sir-alp module? I sometimes seem to experience "alternator whine". I dont want to tear up my trunk again if this is a somewhat common issue. I dont always have it just once in a while i do
BTW, I have confirmed that it goes to sleep ot shuts off when not in use. I have not had any battery problems in the 15 months I have had it installed.
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I have DSP and my present hookup is Sir-Alp 1 connected with an AI-net cable to the Intravee II, which has a single ibus cable from it into the radio module in the trunk (same place you plug in the changer). I have no other cables connected and certainly none going to the front of the car-everything is in the trunk. This must be digital because the radio communicates with the Intravee II and satellite station info is displayed on my nav. This is also the reason it sounds good-no analog in the middle.
Hi -- I'm looking at a picture of a Intravee II, and there is a connector for "AUDIO"...which is a 6 pin audio connector that is located in the trunk of the car. Did you use this connector?

That cable (the one you plug into the connector marked "AUDIO" on the Intravee II) must be present in your car in order to do any sort of upgrade -- aftermarket or factory. My point was that the pre-2006 cars were missing this cable (thus you need to order it and install it, from the back of the radio to the trunk), and 2006+ cars have it from the factory...

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All US spec cars are pre-wired for the CD Changer.

If you do not have DSP then you will have a 3 pin and 6 pin connector. If you have DSP then you may have the 3 and 6 pin connectors, but you may just have the 3 pin and require a coaxial cable plus an Analogue to Digital converter to connect up anything (apart from the BMW CD Changer made before September 2005) to the CD Changer input.
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Hi,

I'm trying to install the dice duo 100 in my 04 z4 e85. I have the dsp option, and have read negative feedback on the dice converters, so I wanted to run a new cable. I just wondered if anyone can help/give advice on sourcing the cable. The link to european auto source is dead.

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All US spec cars are pre-wired for the CD Changer.

If you do not have DSP then you will have a 3 pin and 6 pin connector. If you have DSP then you may have the 3 and 6 pin connectors, but you may just have the 3 pin and require a coaxial cable plus an Analogue to Digital converter to connect up anything (apart from the BMW CD Changer made before September 2005) to the CD Changer input.
You got it!

The US spec 2003-2005 cars that had DSP from the factory did not have the 6 pin audio cable. It will need to be added. 2006-2008 cars had it regardless of DSP/non-DSP. There are very few adapters that use the co-axial digital audio cable, and even then I have heard of folks having problems using it with the few adapters that work with it.

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