[hun77777]

anyone? maybe i should give it a call and try. this long crank is getting annoying...

[Eric335xi]

I'm taking mine in tomorrow morning for some unrelated issues. I plan on asking about it and what they are doing to fix it. Will post their response tomorrow.

[98005xi]

The appointment book is pretty filled @ Seattle already. I'm booked for 11/8 Monday with Dave&Tony, specifically for the hpfp and I'll get a loaner for (how long?) the duration. I called them on Tues morning and they called me back just a little before 7pm.

I haven't had a long crank in over 2 weeks, but I get some hesitation on acceleration every few days or so. It's not scary (like how the abc nightline and the articles describe), but it's not a comfortable feeling.

-alex

[san6279]

I was at Seattle today. Didn't even think to ask about it. Seemed like a real busy day, but no overabundance of 335's that I could tell.

Have letters been sent to owners yet? Figured SA would have said something if my car was part of the recall.

[hun77777]

i was actually at the dealership today and been told that mail regarding recall will be sent out to bmw owners who are under this recall and dealer apprantly will book you up when you get this letter...

i told SA that i have all the symptoms of hpfp failing for well over a year now (long crank, mis-fire, etc)and already replaced coils, spark plugs, and lpfp sensors. he still tried to sell me on code or complete failure of hpfp so i'm not quite sure how this recall is any different than what they've been doing.

[98005xi]

Originally Posted by TrackRat

From other folks who have had their BMW in for the HPFP in the past couple days, the "recall" is nothing more than just installing the re-man 933 HPFP and latest bandaid software. For all practical purpose BMW doesn't appear to have a "fix" for the HPFP failures? The 933 HPFPs have been documented to fail so I don't know how BMW can call this a proper solution for the safety issues the failing HPFP creates.

Will ABC News and NHTSA investigate this apparent ruse?

Figured that there's not much in the way of an actual fix. It would be nice to know that there's a solid plan to making sure a solution is found and executed for n54 owners.

My SA said that they're going to try some new things, but I don't really know what that entails until my appt. I'll let you know if I find out anything different.

[Eric335xi]

Talked with the SA at the dealer in Fife today. He said the pump has been redesigned 3 times already and they are still waiting on a official word from BMW on what the fix will be. Looks like this recall announcement was to appease the media for the time being and avoid some bad press while they figure out how to design a pump that won't fail.

[hun77777]

Originally Posted by Eric335xi

Talked with the SA at the dealer in Fife today. He said the pump has been redesigned 3 times already and they are still waiting on a official word from BMW on what the fix will be. Looks like this recall announcement was to appease the media for the time being and avoid some bad press while they figure out how to design a pump that won't fail.

isn't 4 year enought time for them to re-design anything?

[Eric335xi]

Of course. They should have had a pump that wouldn't fail back in 06 when these cars hit the streets. But BMW hasn't had any national attention on this issue so from a business standpoint is was easier to replace the 5% of failed pumps and keep it quiet.

Reminds of the story Tyler Durden told his fellow airline passenger on what he does for a living....

[hun77777]

lol i agree with u 100% there... yea i was one of the few who actually took some time and file a complaint on NHTSA for this... if everyone who replaced hpfp or having issues did the same thing, we would've turned things bit quicker...

[jrusl12]

My HPFP was replaced a few days before they made the recall, lol. Had long cranks back in august, took it in and they verified and reprogrammed (gotta luv the bandaid fix). After a few rough idles/starts and 1 reduced power light in the following month or two, I took it in and they replaced it (threw the code that time).

Here's to hoping my 3rd HPFP will go the distance ('06 build E92 335i with 33k miles)

Now if only they could fix my gas gauge (failed x3) although my warranty expires in like 7 days so probably not gonna happen

[brocken]

Good luck guys. And I really mean it.

I've had the long cranks and crappy throttle response for a long time. The last time it went in they didn't get a long crank when testing and didn't notice the throttle problem...
They told me there's nothing wrong with the car and didn't do anything...
This was a few weeks ago, before the announcement.

It's getting pretty ridiculous. And BMWNA has pretty much told my wife and me to F@$# off when we've pestered them to do something.

[dylanwsu]

taking mine in on Nov 9th .... recall issues and others related problem!!!

[98005xi]

Ok, here's my followup. Just picked up the car from the dealer this morning. They kept the car overnite (dropped off 6:15am Monday and picked up 10:30a Tuesday). There were no fault codes off the keyfob, but the tech did say that he would run thru new recommendations for the recall. No change on the hpfp since it seems to be running fine, but on the ecu reflash, it mainly consists of INCREASING the pressure on the fuel pump.

Now call me crazy, but I was surprised to hear this. My SAs are Tony Alongi and David something something. Tony reports that 2-3 other customers who got the reflash on Friday reported getting more hp. It might be a placebo (who knows?) effect, but I didn't get a chance to try this out with the rainy muck I drove back home thru.

So the tech took the car home to simulate an actual cold-start and run on his way into work this am. I wasn't too hot about that, but they asked, and I wanted the best fix I could get for the time being. Was told it was 30-40 miles and it turned out to be 33mi. Gas was topped off too.

I didn't get the replacement p/n on the HPFP, but Tony said that they'll be getting units in very soon in preperation for next month's recall. Maybe they actually do have new replacements (I doubt it), but that remains to be seen.

Let me know how you guys fare after you bring your rides in. Tony did mention that older n54s 2006-2009 might exhibit more problems than 2010+ hpfps. Might be result of overall age/mileage/use on hpfp units? Let's just say that I drive my car and rack up the miles (in stark contrast to our buddy Johnny Lin *snicker* *snicker* heh).

I've had 2 long starting cranks over 3 months' time and about 5 moments of hesitation before acceleration (much like trying to drive on an almost empty gas tank actually). I don't think I've ever had to deal with 'limp' or 'safe' mode yet.

So that's my summary. Hope this helps y'all. Oh, and I got a 2011 TiAg 328xi with around 1830 on the speedo and no iDrive/navi/comfort access for a loaner. I'm glad I got a chance to compare. I love my 335 and I can't live without iDrive/navi/comfort access.

G'nite all.

[hun77777]

i already made few contacts and all they said is wait until i get a mail regarding recall to replace actual hpfp units. for those who are in the recall categories, they will replace to newer pump regardless of code present or not if customer brings it up unlike mandating code or complete failure of hpfp they ask until now.

i really doubt alex guy knows what he's saying. he was my sa for a while but i found him bs-ing and lying few stuffs around so i switched to another sa. to me he also said "you get more hp with new program" or "newer axle will withstand with higher hp" which are complete nonsense. i just lmfao.

[98005xi]

Originally Posted by hun77777

i already made few contacts and all they said is wait until i get a mail regarding recall to replace actual hpfp units. for those who are in the recall categories, they will replace to newer pump regardless of code present or not if customer brings it up unlike mandating code or complete failure of hpfp they ask until now.

i really doubt alex guy knows what he's saying. he was my sa for a while but i found him bs-ing and lying few stuffs around so i switched to another sa. to me he also said "you get more hp with new program" or "newer axle will withstand with higher hp" which are complete nonsense. i just lmfao.

I totally agree with you Hun. I didn't believe a damn thing that Tony (SA) told me, but I'm just reporting back to everyone here what I was told and what happened, kind of like so that we can all compare bs stories from the dealers, right?

There's no way in hell that (just coincidentally after 3+ years of trying?) that they finally have a fix post-TV expose that's ready for a recall. No way in hell.

However, I do hope that something does get corrected out of all of this and soon, because our resale value is indeed, dropping. I would have just stuck with 2008 528xi instead of getting the 335 if I had known the extent of the situation. I feel somewhat like a moron for not knowing this before deciding to buy. The car itself is everything I expected (if not for the hpfp issue) though.

Hun, sounds like you've been having to deal with this for a very long time and that just sux. I'm anticipating to hear back from dylan about his experiences @ dealer soon.

-alex

[hun77777]

Originally Posted by 98005xi

I totally agree with you Hun. I didn't believe a damn thing that Tony (SA) told me, but I'm just reporting back to everyone here what I was told and what happened, kind of like so that we can all compare bs stories from the dealers, right?

There's no way in hell that (just coincidentally after 3+ years of trying?) that they finally have a fix post-TV expose that's ready for a recall. No way in hell.

However, I do hope that something does get corrected out of all of this and soon, because our resale value is indeed, dropping. I would have just stuck with 2008 528xi instead of getting the 335 if I had known the extent of the situation. I feel somewhat like a moron for not knowing this before deciding to buy. The car itself is everything I expected (if not for the hpfp issue) though.

Hun, sounds like you've been having to deal with this for a very long time and that just sux. I'm anticipating to hear back from dylan about his experiences @ dealer soon.

-alex

bad gas, then spark plugs(couple times), coil, lpfp pressure sensor, etc etc... those are some of the things that they blame it on and i had to replace, some out of my pocket due to my mileage.

yea resale value on n54 engine sucks ass because of this. mine is 2006 built and i certainly didn't see this coming at all...

oh btw, i go by david hahaha... i don't really feel all that jazzy when some dude calling me hun if u know what i mean hahahahaha

[98005xi]

Originally Posted by hun77777

oh btw, i go by david hahaha... i don't really feel all that jazzy when some dude calling me hun if u know what i mean hahahahaha

ROFLMAO

[98005xi]

BTW David, I just assumed that Hun was your last name or something, and most likely pronounced "Hoon". Don't worry, the only person I call "hun" is my wife....LOL.

Hey Dylan....any word yet????

[DFR]

I'm sorry for being a newb but what's a "hpfp"? Or a "lpfp"? I have been reading these posts and Im not sure I understand what this recall is about. Does it involve the fuel pump? TIA and sorry for the dumb question.

[98005xi]

Originally Posted by DFR

I have been reading these posts and Im not sure I understand what this recall is about. Does it involve the fuel pump? TIA and sorry for the dumb question.

It's not a dumb question...don't worry. Yes, it involves the fuel pump.

hpfp = high pressure fuel pump

I don't have the time to go into detail, but I know fellow members will certainly elaborate very soon. There are a ton of articles with more detail if you search around - I forgot to bookmark the best ones.

At wikipedia...here's the hpfp section:

For entire article, link is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_N54

Problems

In at least the US market, the N54 engine has been characterized by a very large number of High Pressure Fuel Pump (HPFP) failures, leading to many BMW NA vehicle Lemon Law "buy backs" and reduced customer goodwill. On some engines the HPFP was replaced four times within the first few years of service.[citation needed] BMW has instituted a 10-year, 120,000-mile (190,000 km) warranty on the part, but only for 2007, 2008 and 2009 model year vehicles with the N54 engine. Other model years, to include 2009 models, continue to report HPFP failures.[2] As of late 2009, the low pressure fuel sensor has become suspected of causing some premature failures of the HPFP by engine tuners such as AMS and CP-E.

BMW tried to engineer a newer HPFP solution to eliminate HPFP issues users were having. The first 335/135s came out with 1351 7 537 320 HPFP followed shortly by 1351 7 585 655 HPFP and 2009 model had 1351 7 592 881 HPFP followed by 1351 7 596 123 HPFP. These pumps were updated and replaced again due to the high rate of failure with 1351 7 594 943 HPFP. But these also started to fail and got updated and replaced in May 2010 with a brand new re-manufactured pump 1351 7 613 933 HPFP [8]. On the 26th of October, 2010, BMW announced a recall of vehicles with the pump in question from manufacturing years 2007-2010[9].

[AR335]

I was hoping either new developments or updated recall info has surfaced since the last post in this HPFP thread.

Took my car in for it's bi-weekly complimentary car wash at the dealership and was talking to my SA while waiting for my 335i. The subject of recalls came up and he asked if I had any recalls addressed for my car. I told him no and that I didn't know of any so he ran a check and informed me that my car was on the list for an HPFP replacement. Now, up to this point, I didn't have any, or ever noticed any problems with my car whatsoever. My car is 2007 335i with a 01/2007 production date. After reading through the various HPFP threads, I don't experience any long cranks at start-up, never stalled or went into limp mode while driving, or had my diplay panel flash any error codes. The only thing out of the ordinary that has happened was getting gonged with the Check Engine light. That has happened twice within the last eight months. Usually, when that happens, I arrive at my destination, turn-off my car, come back and restart and drive-off normally. My SA mentioned the HPFP will be replaced with an updated 2010 HPFP. He mentioned installing the new HPFP could resolve any lag issues, erratic idles and increase acceleration.

My question to you all, should I have them replace my HPFP ? Any suggestions and/or feedback will be very much appreciated. Thanks.

AR335