Time for new rubber...

toxicnerve · 03-20-2011, 04:06 PM

...thats what she said.

Chaps,

The time has come for new tyres. I'm going to ditch the OE Bridgestones and go over to some Falken FK452s.

The car is an E92 335d M-Sport on 19" 225m wheels. I have searched and read a few threads (in particular the one by doughboy).

I am going to go for the following tyres:

Rears: 265/30/19

Fronts: 235/35/19

I believe there are no issues with rubbing and a good starting point of pressures would be something like 34psi on the front and 38psi on the rear (though this is much lower than the 2.7/3.2Bar front/rear I currently run on my RFTs).

If anyone has any tips/advice it would be much appreciated.

Thanks guys,

TN.

Hotcoupe · 03-20-2011, 04:18 PM

Good choice TN.
I run Falkens on two sets, and have always found them good

You'll have no issues with those sizes.
Personally I'd go 38 front and 40 rear.

toxicnerve · 03-20-2011, 04:27 PM

Cheers mate.

I just need to figure out where to actually buy them from.

Camskill have the lowest online price but I would have to get them fitted locally (£483 shipped inc. VAT but plus fitting which would probably be in the order of £10-15 a piece).

Event are another option but £600 seems steep to me.

Elite are fairly local to me, however there have been some negative reviews recently so I think they're out of the running straight off the bat.

Finally, there's a local place (where I recently had a repair carried out) but I need to call them tomorrow to find pricing. This is also likely the place I would have them fitted if I were to buy from Camskill.

Any thoughts?

EDIT:

There is one more option. I could get the tyres from Camskill and book the car in for a wheel refurb with Lepsons. That way they could refurb all the wheels and fit the tyres for me?

Hotcoupe · 03-20-2011, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toxicnerve

EDIT:

There is one more option. I could get the tyres from Camskill and book the car in for a wheel refurb with Lepsons. That way they could refurb all the wheels and fit the tyres for me?

Good call, alternatively, and I'm not knocking Lepsons as I've used them and recommend them, you might find wheelworks closer in terms of distance and they are cheaper -£55.00pw + VAT.

Thay have just done my Alufelgens and the finish is second to none

Get Camskills to deliver the wheels direct to Crawley, and yes they will fit for no extra money,win,win, jobs a goodun, yes?

http://www.wheelworksuk.co.uk/index.htm

doughboy · 03-21-2011, 03:28 AM

Toxic, have you called Event? They'll always beat their online quotes, especially for a set of 4.

They've always beaten any quote I've taken to them.

And they have top quality mobile fitters, so it saves you all the hassle of trying to take 4 tyres in your car to get them fitted somewhere!!

You can get them done at work / home anywhere.

And best of all with Event, you pay the full amount to fitter by card AFTER they're fitted so no worries about getting stung.

toxicnerve · 04-05-2011, 12:06 PM

Gents,

Just had these fitted today. I'm unsure about where I should start in terms of pressures though.

Hotcoupe, you say 38(2.6Bar)/40(2.7Bar) but I'm a little surprised as these sound quite low compared to what I was running before on RFTs...I used to run 2.7/3.2

What do you think? Should I just go for it (the lower settings) and then adjust from there for my driving?

YvesD · 04-05-2011, 12:18 PM

Bro,

What does the door card say for 19's with conventional tyres?

For reference, 18's on non RFT's are 32 front 35 rear.

Cant imagine 19's being much different?

Yves

Quote:

Originally Posted by toxicnerve

Gents,

Just had these fitted today. I'm unsure about where I should start in terms of pressures though.

Hotcoupe, you say 38(2.6Bar)/40(2.7Bar) but I'm a little surprised as these sound quite low compared to what I was running before on RFTs...I used to run 2.7/3.2

What do you think? Should I just go for it (the lower settings) and then adjust from there for my driving?

toxicnerve · 04-05-2011, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YvesD

Bro,

What does the door card say for 19's with conventional tyres?

For reference, 18's on non RFT's are 32 front 35 rear.

Cant imagine 19's being much different?

Yves

Door card lists for RFTs no?

Hotcoupe · 04-05-2011, 12:42 PM

I generally run 38/39 (*in between the two) front and *40/41 rear.

toxicnerve · 04-05-2011, 12:53 PM

So 38.5 and 40.5 it is then

Coolio dudes...

YvesD · 04-05-2011, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toxicnerve

Door card lists for RFTs no?

It does on mine, only for 18's though, just checked.

m1bjr · 04-05-2011, 02:17 PM

I kept same pressure on the Falken as the RFT (lightly loaded values).

So far on rad and track, perfect with very even wear in 10k (almost end of life on rears now)

I see no need to change them.

After all, the width is a slightly wider, but tyre profile and weight loading is relatively the same

toxicnerve · 04-05-2011, 02:27 PM

m1bjr,

Thanks for the info, what did you run then out of interest?

BIGTIME · 04-06-2011, 07:45 AM

Toxic - Have your 225's ever cracked? I would love to go for non runflat, only problem is if they crack and BMW won't replace them as I have non run flats on.

toxicnerve · 04-06-2011, 08:13 AM

No cracks on mine so far.

I think the stiffness of the RFTs actually exacerbates the problem with wheels cracking. A more compliant side-wall (as with non-RFT) might help to alleviate the issue?

rsmallwo · 04-06-2011, 08:45 AM

RFT's + 19's = increased risk of cracking wheels

standard tyres will decrease the cracking risk on 19's

BIGTIME · 04-06-2011, 10:48 AM

I agree with this also. However, it won't eliminate the chance completely.

FPO · 04-06-2011, 11:13 AM

Sorry to slightly hijack thread, but im looking to changing to the exact same tyres as TN.
I have spoken to my broker about changing to non rft tyres and he mentioned that the police would be quite upset if I was to break down (flat tyre) in a car which has no spare wheel. Obviously if you have a blowout, you cant use the can of expandable foam.
Any ideas on the rules of motoring driving around in a car which has no spare tyre etc?

Hotcoupe · 04-06-2011, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FPO

the police would be quite upset if I was to break down (flat tyre) in a car which has no spare wheel.

I'd keep some Kleenex in the car, it would be rude not to be able to offer a tissue to a Policeman crying his eyes out!

Geez, some people,not you FPO, but your broker.
RFT's are not the be all and end all.

There are thousands of cars from all different marques driving around on RFT's and no spare wheel, get a blowout with a RFT and your f*cked!
Plod are hardly likely to do much about it other than call the emergency services, if you're lucky.

toxicnerve · 04-06-2011, 02:37 PM

@FPO:

To be frank, your broker is talking a load of fucking bollocks!

There are shit loads of cars (new ones rolling off production lines as we speak at that) that have no spare and non-RFT tyres as standard. Most of these cars are just supplied with "mobility" kits. Which are essentially a can of Holt's Tyreweld , a 12V compressor and (if you're lucky) some latex gloves!!

Halfords have a 3 for 2 on "Travel Essentials" at the moment (sadly these can't be mixed with the 3 for 2 on cleaning products

). I just picked up 2x 500ml cans of Tyreweld and the large Halfords first aid kit for £30.

FPO · 04-06-2011, 04:01 PM

Haha, appreciate the info chaps. Trust me my broker isn't a bad guy at all. He's got me out of paying a heck of a lot of money over the years. It was just a point he brought up.
Will definately be getting the Falkens some point this week. Shame the tyres have to be 1 in size.

toxicnerve · 04-06-2011, 04:19 PM

I've been out for my first drive on the Falkens today.

I found the following:

1. The ride is much more compliant, I found ripples/bumps/potholes that would have had me wincing on the RFTs were much softer on the Falkens.

2. The turn in feels a bit off/the car feels like it's understeering slightly. I expected this so I think I just need to readjust my driving style a bit.

3. I saw the DSC light flicker a couple of times when I would not have expected it to. I am guessing the tyres need scrubbing a bit more.

4. I am not sure about the 41psi/39psi pressures I am running (rear/front).

5. Grip seems good but I think I was taking it a bit easy (read: I was a bit nervous) as I feel like I need to get to know the car again and adjust the pressures until I am happy.

In short the car feels completely different, I need to build my confidence up again a bit before I can thrash her again!! However, the ride is much better and just for that I am glad I made the change.

03-20-2011, 04:06 PM	#1
toxicnerve Colonel 97 Rep 2,834 Posts Drives: E92 335d M-Sport Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: UK iTrader: (2)	Time for new rubber... ...thats what she said. Chaps, The time has come for new tyres. I'm going to ditch the OE Bridgestones and go over to some Falken FK452s. The car is an E92 335d M-Sport on 19" 225m wheels. I have searched and read a few threads (in particular the one by doughboy). I am going to go for the following tyres: Rears: 265/30/19 Fronts: 235/35/19 I believe there are no issues with rubbing and a good starting point of pressures would be something like 34psi on the front and 38psi on the rear (though this is much lower than the 2.7/3.2Bar front/rear I currently run on my RFTs). If anyone has any tips/advice it would be much appreciated. Thanks guys, TN. Last edited by toxicnerve; 03-20-2011 at 04:13 PM..
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Hotcoupe Major General 193 Rep 6,110 Posts Drives: Don't know yet! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: UK iTrader: (2) Garage List November 2008 335D ... [8.34] 2007 335D [0.00]	Good choice TN. I run Falkens on two sets, and have always found them good You'll have no issues with those sizes. Personally I'd go 38 front and 40 rear.
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toxicnerve Colonel 97 Rep 2,834 Posts Drives: E92 335d M-Sport Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: UK iTrader: (2)	Cheers mate. I just need to figure out where to actually buy them from. Camskill have the lowest online price but I would have to get them fitted locally (£483 shipped inc. VAT but plus fitting which would probably be in the order of £10-15 a piece). Event are another option but £600 seems steep to me. Elite are fairly local to me, however there have been some negative reviews recently so I think they're out of the running straight off the bat. Finally, there's a local place (where I recently had a repair carried out) but I need to call them tomorrow to find pricing. This is also likely the place I would have them fitted if I were to buy from Camskill. Any thoughts? EDIT: There is one more option. I could get the tyres from Camskill and book the car in for a wheel refurb with Lepsons. That way they could refurb all the wheels and fit the tyres for me?
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doughboy Major General 1545 Rep 8,970 Posts Drives: 2018 M2 Comp 6MT Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: UK iTrader: (2)	Toxic, have you called Event? They'll always beat their online quotes, especially for a set of 4. They've always beaten any quote I've taken to them. And they have top quality mobile fitters, so it saves you all the hassle of trying to take 4 tyres in your car to get them fitted somewhere!! You can get them done at work / home anywhere. And best of all with Event, you pay the full amount to fitter by card *AFTER* they're fitted so no worries about getting stung.
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toxicnerve Colonel 97 Rep 2,834 Posts Drives: E92 335d M-Sport Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: UK iTrader: (2)	Gents, Just had these fitted today. I'm unsure about where I should start in terms of pressures though. Hotcoupe, you say 38(2.6Bar)/40(2.7Bar) but I'm a little surprised as these sound quite low compared to what I was running before on RFTs...I used to run 2.7/3.2 What do you think? Should I just go for it (the lower settings) and then adjust from there for my driving? Last edited by toxicnerve; 04-05-2011 at 12:12 PM..
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Hotcoupe Major General 193 Rep 6,110 Posts Drives: Don't know yet! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: UK iTrader: (2) Garage List November 2008 335D ... [8.34] 2007 335D [0.00]	I generally run 38/39 (in between the two) front and 40/41 rear.
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toxicnerve Colonel 97 Rep 2,834 Posts Drives: E92 335d M-Sport Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: UK iTrader: (2)	So 38.5 and 40.5 it is then Coolio dudes...
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m1bjr LSD - No, you're not seeing things 72 Rep 3,302 Posts Drives: Baby F36 Gran Coupe Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Plymouth UK iTrader: (4)	I kept same pressure on the Falken as the RFT (lightly loaded values). So far on rad and track, perfect with very even wear in 10k (almost end of life on rears now) I see no need to change them. After all, the width is a slightly wider, but tyre profile and weight loading is relatively the same __________________
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toxicnerve Colonel 97 Rep 2,834 Posts Drives: E92 335d M-Sport Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: UK iTrader: (2)	m1bjr, Thanks for the info, what did you run then out of interest?
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BIGTIME Lieutenant 27 Rep 498 Posts Drives: E92 M3 DCT - Mineral White Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East iTrader: (0)	Toxic - Have your 225's ever cracked? I would love to go for non runflat, only problem is if they crack and BMW won't replace them as I have non run flats on.
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toxicnerve Colonel 97 Rep 2,834 Posts Drives: E92 335d M-Sport Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: UK iTrader: (2)	No cracks on mine so far. I think the stiffness of the RFTs actually exacerbates the problem with wheels cracking. A more compliant side-wall (as with non-RFT) might help to alleviate the issue?
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rsmallwo Captain 40 Rep 939 Posts Drives: Z4 35i Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Hull iTrader: (0)	RFT's + 19's = increased risk of cracking wheels standard tyres will decrease the cracking risk on 19's
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BIGTIME Lieutenant 27 Rep 498 Posts Drives: E92 M3 DCT - Mineral White Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East iTrader: (0)	I agree with this also. However, it won't eliminate the chance completely.
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FPO Second Lieutenant 44 Rep 247 Posts Drives: 2010 LCI E92 335d M-Sport Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: UK iTrader: (0)	Sorry to slightly hijack thread, but im looking to changing to the exact same tyres as TN. I have spoken to my broker about changing to non rft tyres and he mentioned that the police would be quite upset if I was to break down (flat tyre) in a car which has no spare wheel. Obviously if you have a blowout, you cant use the can of expandable foam. Any ideas on the rules of motoring driving around in a car which has no spare tyre etc?
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toxicnerve Colonel 97 Rep 2,834 Posts Drives: E92 335d M-Sport Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: UK iTrader: (2)	@FPO: To be frank, your broker is talking a load of fucking bollocks! There are shit loads of cars (new ones rolling off production lines as we speak at that) that have no spare and non-RFT tyres as standard. Most of these cars are just supplied with "mobility" kits. Which are essentially a can of Holt's Tyreweld , a 12V compressor and (if you're lucky) some latex gloves!! Halfords have a 3 for 2 on "Travel Essentials" at the moment (sadly these can't be mixed with the 3 for 2 on cleaning products ). I just picked up 2x 500ml cans of Tyreweld and the large Halfords first aid kit for £30.
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FPO Second Lieutenant 44 Rep 247 Posts Drives: 2010 LCI E92 335d M-Sport Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: UK iTrader: (0)	Haha, appreciate the info chaps. Trust me my broker isn't a bad guy at all. He's got me out of paying a heck of a lot of money over the years. It was just a point he brought up. Will definately be getting the Falkens some point this week. Shame the tyres have to be 1 in size.
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toxicnerve Colonel 97 Rep 2,834 Posts Drives: E92 335d M-Sport Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: UK iTrader: (2)	I've been out for my first drive on the Falkens today. I found the following: 1. The ride is much more compliant, I found ripples/bumps/potholes that would have had me wincing on the RFTs were much softer on the Falkens. 2. The turn in feels a bit off/the car feels like it's understeering slightly. I expected this so I think I just need to readjust my driving style a bit. 3. I saw the DSC light flicker a couple of times when I would not have expected it to. I am guessing the tyres need scrubbing a bit more. 4. I am not sure about the 41psi/39psi pressures I am running (rear/front). 5. Grip seems good but I think I was taking it a bit easy (read: I was a bit nervous) as I feel like I need to get to know the car again and adjust the pressures until I am happy. In short the car feels completely different, I need to build my confidence up again a bit before I can thrash her again!! However, the ride is much better and just for that I am glad I made the change.
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