Wheel torque settings

les330 · 03-24-2011, 08:30 AM

Hi

Can anyone please let me know what the wheel torque wrench settings are on E92 coupe 330d (225 wheels)

Thanks

JaySTee · 03-24-2011, 08:55 AM

probably the same as my e91 120NM I think...

creepy coupe · 03-24-2011, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by JaySTee

probably the same as my e91 120NM I think...

Correct.

ed335d · 03-24-2011, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by creepy coupe

Correct.

+1

Did I read somewhere that locking bolts should be slightly less, or I imagining that?

doughboy · 03-24-2011, 09:38 AM

Yup, 120nm all round.

The McGard BMW locking nuts say Max 90 or 110 or similar on their instructions which is a bit daft - not very well coordinated!!

m1bjr · 03-24-2011, 09:48 AM

About 85lbs to us old gits.

toxicnerve · 03-24-2011, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by m1bjr

About 85lbs to us old gits.

89ft lbs

Jayee · 03-26-2011, 04:51 PM

I had to remove someone's 120 ft-lbs mistake once. Broke a 12 point socket and a cheap extension.

good tools are must sometimes.

Ant Man · 03-27-2011, 04:17 PM

If adding grease, only add it to the bolt threads and not the wider flat part that contacts with the wheel.

toxicnerve · 03-27-2011, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Ant Man

If adding grease, only add it to the bolt threads and not the wider flat part that contacts with the wheel.

+1.

Grease on threads only, not on the seats (the cone shaped bit).

Giff · 03-27-2011, 05:30 PM

Why is that?

doughboy · 03-28-2011, 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Giff

Why is that?

Its the seat friction that keeps to bolts tight, and torque settings are based on them not being greased unless stated other wise.

If its fully greased then the same torque will be result in the bolt being much tighter, maybe damaged.

If greased, they'll also vibrate loose much more easily.

creepy coupe · 03-28-2011, 03:01 AM

Adding lube to the thread, would necessitate a reduction in torque values.

m1bjr · 03-28-2011, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by creepy coupe

Adding lube to the thread, would necessitate a reduction in torque values.

Only if the origibnal value quoted was for clean/dry threads Del...

(Just being pedantic

)

creepy coupe · 03-28-2011, 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by m1bjr

Only if the origibnal value quoted was for clean/dry threads Del...

(Just being pedantic

)

Absolutely Mate, I've yet to notice any coming from the factory with greased threads though.

doughboy · 03-28-2011, 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by creepy coupe

Absolutely Mate, I've yet to notice any coming from the factory with greased threads though.

Important point that.

No grease on thread
No grease on seats
No grease on wheel face / hub

And IMO its not the threads that bind anyway as they are like metals (steel / steel), its the seat where the most friction will be IMO and that's where steel meets soft alloy.

Also the bolt seat is tapered for a reason - to really lock up tight - that's the whole point.

Ant Man · 03-28-2011, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by doughboy

Important point that.

No grease on thread
No grease on seats
No grease on wheel face / hub

And IMO its not the threads that bind anyway as they are like metals (steel / steel), its the seat where the most friction will be IMO and that's where steel meets soft alloy.

Also the bolt seat is tapered for a reason - to really lock up tight - that's the whole point.

I'm aware the from the factory the wheel face / hub are not greased. This can make the wheel a real bugger to remove in time. What is the reason for not doing it though pls Mike?

creepy coupe · 03-28-2011, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by doughboy

Important point that.

No grease on thread
No grease on seats
No grease on wheel face / hub

And IMO its not the threads that bind anyway as they are like metals (steel / steel), its the seat where the most friction will be IMO and that's where steel meets soft alloy.

Also the bolt seat is tapered for a reason - to really lock up tight - that's the whole point.

The threads do bind DB. We are a UK distributor for ARP fasteners and they even give different torque values, when using their moly lube over normal 30 WT oil.

doughboy · 03-28-2011, 09:10 AM

Sorry, threads do bind of course, but on our type of car wheel bolts the main friction areas is the tapered seat that is designed to really bind tight and hold the bolts in. If it was a flat seat then we'd need vibration washers or nylock threads or similar anti-loosening parts.

So what we're saying then is NEVER oil or grease any part of the wheel studs / bolts or seats?

creepy coupe · 03-28-2011, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by doughboy

Fair do's.

So what we're saying then is NEVER oil or grease any part of the wheel studs / bolts or seats?

Having greased / oiled wheel bolts threads in the past (younger days.), it never made that much difference when loosening them off, but if you got any on the seat then they just turned and turned and you'd just shear it off it you kept tightening as you'd never reach the dry torque.

Well I'll admit to copper greasing just the threads in the past, and reducing the torque setting slightly. If I'm honest, it was never reduced by a scientific formula, just a rough idea. Now having worked with ARP I don’t bother, I just keep the threads clean.

doughboy · 03-28-2011, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by creepy coupe

Well I'll admit to copper greasing just the threads in the past, and reducing the torque setting slightly. If I'm honest, it was never reduced by a scientific formula, just a rough idea. Now having worked with ARP I don’t bother, I just keep the threads clean.

+1, why bother oiling/greasing them?

It gets all over the place when you take wheels off, and even dry they come out easy enough with a bloody great 17mm socket and wrench anyway.

That squeak you get from a dry wheel bolt in the last 1/8 turn means it's properly tight and isn't going anywhere.

Giff · 03-28-2011, 09:24 AM

I thought a tapered seat was purely for ease of centreing the wheel?

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