Out of Warranty - HPFP died

JunkStory · 06-12-2011, 04:59 AM

With the HPFP dead, I need to bring my 335i to the dealer 100 miles away in LIMP MODE. Since I'm out of warranty, calling a flatbed is out of the question because it would cost me $500.

Here's the question:
1) would it help if I fill up the car with a full tank of gas before my long journey? I heard that having a full tank helps because it keeps the pressure balanced. True? I need all the help I can get to make this journey as smooth as possible since the car is in limp!

2) Also, I notice that the engine fan gets extremely loud, like it's working at max speed. Is this normal for the limp mode?

Spydeputy · 06-12-2011, 05:09 AM

HPFP warranty is 10 years, 100K miles. Call the dealer and see if they will cover the cost of getting it there if it is a HPFP failure.

JunkStory · 06-12-2011, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Spydeputy

HPFP warranty is 10 years, 100K miles. Call the dealer and see if they will cover the cost of getting it there if it is a HPFP failure.

Unfortunately, in Canada, they haven't extended the warranty of the HPFP

They did do a recall for the HPFP though, but to be honest I am not 100% sure if it is the HPFP failing at all (probably 70-80% certain only). I get crazy RPM jumping around, half engine light, but no long cranks at all.

assinizarM3 · 06-12-2011, 05:25 AM

Wow... no extended warranty in canada!! Now that's what i call a dealbreaker! Gd luck and i hope it won't break after the fix!

Kid Eh · 06-12-2011, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by JunkStory

Unfortunately, in Canada, they haven't extended the warranty of the HPFP

They did do a recall for the HPFP though, but to be honest I am not 100% sure if it is the HPFP failing at all (probably 70-80% certain only). I get crazy RPM jumping around, half engine light, but no long cranks at all.

Yes they did extend it in Canada. Do a search. I remember reading it months ago. I believe the warranty is 10 years 160K.

ENINTY · 06-12-2011, 05:49 AM

Not sure about the great White North, but most insurance policies include reimbursement for towing. Check your policy.

And for those who don't have this on their policy, get it, it costs maybe $10 more a year.

hipnotic · 06-12-2011, 09:57 AM

that sucks. sorry to hear, hope you get this resolved

Jns2001 · 06-12-2011, 10:04 AM

How much does it cost to have the pump replaced out of warranty? Does anyone knows?

achien · 06-12-2011, 10:38 AM

They have the 120000km warranty in Canada. My car went in for device and they changed the HPFP, even though it didn't break down yet.

JunkStory · 06-12-2011, 11:41 AM

Thanks all for the replies, great to know Canada actually extended the warranty in Canada! However, I am not 100% sure if the issue is the HPFP failure at all, if it turns out to be something else BMW will charge me for the towing fee! My OBD is giving me no error codes at all.

HPFP = High Probability Failure Pump

I don't mind driving there in limp mode, I will start my journey 6:00am in the morning with no other car on the road. So if it turns out to be the HPFP, does having a full tank of gas help the pump?

JetBlack335i · 06-12-2011, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by JunkStory

Thanks all for the replies, great to know Canada actually extended the warranty in Canada! However, I am not sure if the issue is the HPFP failure at all, if it turns out to be something else BMW will charge me for the towing fee! My OBD is giving me no error codes at all..

Can anyone answer the original questions in the OP? Thanks!

Software update masked the codes for HPFP failure however a BT scan tool can uncover it.

To OP. Tow the car in. Fuel wont help. You have low fuel pressure. Your max speed will be 20-30mph depending on drivetrain. Figure 100 miles to be 3-5 hours travel. If you can't pass 30mph its your fuel pump. If your car burns a ton of gasoline its the injectors. Both are covered in the recall. Therefore your travel to the dealer by flatbed should be too. Call the service center to confirm this tho.

kyleJB328 · 06-12-2011, 06:21 PM

If you have contacted your insurance company and there is no deductible for towing, I would look into the ACA membership? I guess it is like AAA here in the US. (http://www.ama.ab.ca) I don't think it would be good to drive your car as it is right now. If it ends up being something else than the HPFP, you may damage your car even more. It's your gamble......

veediddy · 06-12-2011, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JunkStory

Unfortunately, in Canada, they haven't extended the warranty of the HPFP

They did do a recall for the HPFP though, but to be honest I am not 100% sure if it is the HPFP failing at all (probably 70-80% certain only). I get crazy RPM jumping around, half engine light, but no long cranks at all.

My hpfp problems didnt cause a long crank either, but the engine light would come on when i beat on the car. That's how i found out my hpfp was junk.

Hisam135i · 06-13-2011, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JunkStory

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Originally Posted by Spydeputy

HPFP warranty is 10 years, 100K miles. Call the dealer and see if they will cover the cost of getting it there if it is a HPFP failure.

Unfortunately, in Canada, they haven't extended the warranty of the HPFP

They did do a recall for the HPFP though, but to be honest I am not 100% sure if it is the HPFP failing at all (probably 70-80% certain only). I get crazy RPM jumping around, half engine light, but no long cranks at all.

That sounds like you need new injectors not a new HPFP

teamben158 · 06-13-2011, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Hisam135i

That sounds like you need new injectors not a new HPFP

I just took mine in with similar symptoms (bouncing RPMs, SES light, no long cranks) and they replaced the HPFP and 1 injector. I'm out of warranty as well and it cost me $0.

JunkStory · 06-13-2011, 04:33 PM

Thanks all for your responses. Shortly after ignition, the RPM drops so low the engine shuts down itself. I will definitely need to have it towed now.

Do all the BMW dealers offer their own flatbed towing service? I really don't want my 335i towed on two wheels. I also do not have the Roadside Assistance in my car.. I will have to call the dealer directly.

Yvette · 06-16-2011, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by teamben158

I just took mine in with similar symptoms (bouncing RPMs, SES light, no long cranks) and they replaced the HPFP and 1 injector. I'm out of warranty as well and it cost me $0.

how is your car out of warranty? your car is 2008?
to OP, how did it go?

JunkStory · 06-16-2011, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by e90sexion

how is your car out of warranty? your car is 2008?
to OP, how did it go?

I'm out of warranty and don't have BMW Roadside Assist, yet I still gave them a call. They were very helpful in helping me contact a local flatbed towing company to get my car to Autowest BMW. BMW Roadside Assist asked if I wanted to join the program for $122, I said no, and paid the tow truck driver $190 instead because there's a chance that I could the amount reimbursed by BMW Canada if it turns out to be indeed the HPFP.

The car is sitting at the dealer right now, I'll let you know before the end of the week how the repair goes.

Jns2001 · 06-16-2011, 07:27 AM

Wouldn't they reimburse the 122 as well?

teamben158 · 06-16-2011, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by e90sexion

how is your car out of warranty? your car is 2008?
to OP, how did it go?

I have 54,000 miles on it, no CPO.

samchoi604 · 06-17-2011, 11:14 PM

HPFP warranty is 10 years / 200,000km in Canada!

JunkStory · 06-18-2011, 03:03 AM

Indeed it was the HPFP failure. My dealer (Canada) took care of the problem at no cost under the extended warranty for the HPFP @ 10 years / 200,000km.

However, I'm still left with the $190 tow bill, which I hope I can get reimbursed by BMW Canada. Any tips or suggestions for going this route? Should I just send them a letter with the receipts and a letter explaining?

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JunkStory Major 160 Rep 1,307 Posts Drives: E92 M3, 8V RS3 Join Date: May 2008 Location: 98230 iTrader: (3)	Out of Warranty - HPFP died - quick question With the HPFP dead, I need to bring my 335i to the dealer 100 miles away in LIMP MODE. Since I'm out of warranty, calling a flatbed is out of the question because it would cost me $500. Here's the question: 1) would it help if I fill up the car with a full tank of gas before my long journey? I heard that having a full tank helps because it keeps the pressure balanced. True? I need all the help I can get to make this journey as smooth as possible since the car is in limp! 2) Also, I notice that the engine fan gets extremely loud, like it's working at max speed. Is this normal for the limp mode? Last edited by JunkStory; 06-12-2011 at 05:16 AM..
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JunkStory Major 160 Rep 1,307 Posts Drives: E92 M3, 8V RS3 Join Date: May 2008 Location: 98230 iTrader: (3)	Thanks all for the replies, great to know Canada actually extended the warranty in Canada! However, I am not 100% sure if the issue is the HPFP failure at all, if it turns out to be something else BMW will charge me for the towing fee! My OBD is giving me no error codes at all. HPFP = High Probability Failure Pump I don't mind driving there in limp mode, I will start my journey 6:00am in the morning with no other car on the road. So if it turns out to be the HPFP, does having a full tank of gas help the pump?
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kyleJB328 coast2coast 9 Rep 201 Posts Drives: '11 E90 SG/OY-'08 E70 BS/B Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: 02108-Boston iTrader: (0)	If you have contacted your insurance company and there is no deductible for towing, I would look into the ACA membership? I guess it is like AAA here in the US. (http://www.ama.ab.ca) I don't think it would be good to drive your car as it is right now. If it ends up being something else than the HPFP, you may damage your car even more. It's your gamble...... __________________ 2011 328i Space Grey/Oyster-X-Drive, ZSP, ZVP, ZPP, ZCP, CWP,Heated Steering Wheel, Nav, BMW Apps 2008 BMW X5 4.8i BSM/Black/Bamboo-ZSP, Premium Sound, ZCP
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JunkStory Major 160 Rep 1,307 Posts Drives: E92 M3, 8V RS3 Join Date: May 2008 Location: 98230 iTrader: (3)	Thanks all for your responses. Shortly after ignition, the RPM drops so low the engine shuts down itself. I will definitely need to have it towed now. Do all the BMW dealers offer their own flatbed towing service? I really don't want my 335i towed on two wheels. I also do not have the Roadside Assistance in my car.. I will have to call the dealer directly. Last edited by JunkStory; 06-13-2011 at 05:14 PM..
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JunkStory Major 160 Rep 1,307 Posts Drives: E92 M3, 8V RS3 Join Date: May 2008 Location: 98230 iTrader: (3)	Indeed it was the HPFP failure. My dealer (Canada) took care of the problem at no cost under the extended warranty for the HPFP @ 10 years / 200,000km. However, I'm still left with the $190 tow bill, which I hope I can get reimbursed by BMW Canada. Any tips or suggestions for going this route? Should I just send them a letter with the receipts and a letter explaining?
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