Automobile's Full test and M3 comp. pack Comparo Numbers

[superchargedman]

I can't seem to find any posts about this article, but the August '11 review is glowing, stating that it's the first return to the e30 M3. What I found particularly interesting is their direct test results between the 1m and the m3 comp. pack:

0-60: 4.5s 1M 4.7s M3
0-100: both at 10.8s
1/4 mile: 13.1s @ 110 1M 13.2s @ 110

Their one nod to the M3 is that they have it on insider's account that the 1M will not offer the same speed limiter removal as the M3, as the 1M cannot achieve the same 174mph limit as the M3, due to drag.

[b33g33]

Originally Posted by superchargedman

I can't seem to find any posts about this article, but the August '11 review is glowing, stating that it's the first return to the e30 M3. What I found particularly interesting is their direct test results between the 1m and the m3 comp. pack:

0-60: 4.5s 1M 4.7s M3
0-100: both at 10.8s
1/4 mile: 13.1s @ 110 1M 13.2s @ 110

Their one nod to the M3 is that they have it on insider's account that the 1M will not offer the same speed limiter removal as the M3, as the 1M cannot achieve the same 174mph limit as the M3, due to drag.

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[Dackelone]

Did C&D have an in gear acell numbers for the 1M vs M3 ? I would be very interested to see some high speed runs say frm 120 kph to 200 kph. ?

[1VOM]

Originally Posted by superchargedman

Their one nod to the M3 is that they have it on insider's account that the 1M will not offer the same speed limiter removal as the M3, as the 1M cannot achieve the same 174mph limit as the M3, due to drag.

I read this article just the other day as well. I may be wrong but I believe a few people here have shown the 1M pulls past 174mph without an issue.

[FJS]

I just have a question, why is it such a big deal to bash the M3, aren't they brothers?

[1VOM]

Originally Posted by FJS

I just have a question, why is it such a big deal to bash the M3, aren't they brothers?

I don't think that the article was necessarily "bashing" the M3. Rather it touched on the history of BMW M cars and how by creating the 1M for enthusiasts they have created what many believe the current M3 should be. The M3 has been designed to appeal to everyone in the general population with money. The M brand once meant that it was the best car in its class and would out perform all others. It was a car made for enthusiasts to the brand and meant to be driven hard. This doesn't mean that the M3 isn't a great car it just means that it has become something far different from what the M brand once meant. The 1M in their eyes is a small step back to the roots of what an M car should be.

[b33g33]

Originally Posted by 1VOM

I read this article just the other day as well. I may be wrong but I believe a few people here have shown the 1M pulls past 174mph without an issue.

Dan Parker has passed 174 but his 1M is already tuned. I have not heard of anyone with a stock car doing it here.

[mPlasticDesign]

Originally Posted by Dackelone

Did C&D have an in gear acell numbers for the 1M vs M3 ? I would be very interested to see some high speed runs say frm 120 kph to 200 kph. ?

Ask and you shall receive....

Here is the CARandDriver numbers* they got from both cars.

1M
0-30: 1.8
0-60: 4.5
0-100: 10.9
1/4mile: 13sec@109
30-50: 6.6sec
50-60: 5.6sec
05-60: 5sec

M3
0-30: 1.7
0-60: 4.4
0-100: 10.3
1/4mile: 12.9sec@111
30-50: 7.7sec
50-70: 7.1sec
05-60: 5.1sec

*tested on different days

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by 1VOM

I don't think that the article was necessarily "bashing" the M3. Rather it touched on the history of BMW M cars and how by creating the 1M for enthusiasts they have created what many believe the current M3 should be. The M3 has been designed to appeal to everyone in the general population with money. The M brand once meant that it was the best car in its class and would out perform all others. It was a car made for enthusiasts to the brand and meant to be driven hard. This doesn't mean that the M3 isn't a great car it just means that it has become something far different from what the M brand once meant. The 1M in their eyes is a small step back to the roots of what an M car should be.

Maginifcently put. I am a 17 year E30 M3 owner that has been waiting for this car for nearly a decade, and I've watched the M3 bloat up from E36-E92 and passed on all. It's not about bashing the M3... it's a great car.. an outstanding GT... but it's also just recognizing that in it's current form, it is nothing like the original. The 1M is the closest so far, and I don't intend to wait until the next M1/M2... which likely will be even more close to the E30 M3 with respect to going back to a 4 cylinder and with weight reduction also indicated as a priority by BMW M engineers.

[///1M]

Originally Posted by ///Metak

Ask and you shall receive....

Here is the CARandDriver numbers* they got from both cars.

1M
0-30: 1.8
0-60: 4.5
0-100: 10.9
1/4mile: 13sec@109
30-50: 6.6sec
50-60: 5.6sec
05-60: 5sec

M3
0-30: 1.7
0-60: 4.4
0-100: 10.3
1/4mile: 12.9sec@111
30-50: 7.7sec
50-70: 7.1sec
05-60: 5.1sec

*tested on different days

The most recent issue of Motor Trend has a comparison test between the 1M and M3. The 1M took 1.8s to go from 45-65, and the M3 took 2.0s.

[HALOTHANE]

Originally Posted by FJS

I just have a question, why is it such a big deal to bash the M3, aren't they brothers?

Sibling rivalry?

[MrRoboto]

Nothing to do with bashing the M3.

The fact is the M3 is bar to which all coupes are measured.

I have a funny feeling that the next M3 will be measured against the E9x AND the 1M.

[///1M]

Originally Posted by MrRoboto

Nothing to do with bashing the M3.

The fact is the M3 is bar to which all coupes are measured.

I have a funny feeling that the next M3 will be measured against the E9x AND the 1M.

+1
The fact that the 1M can be compared to the M3, it just says that the 1M is a very capable machine. Now, there are more options, and many still prefer the M3, and many prefer the 1M. It's all good.

[Redadair]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Maginifcently put. I am a 17 year E30 M3 owner that has been waiting for this car for nearly a decade, and I've watched the M3 bloat up from E36-E92 and passed on all. It's not about bashing the M3... it's a great car.. an outstanding GT... but it's also just recognizing that in it's current form, it is nothing like the original. The 1M is the closest so far, and I don't intend to wait until the next M1/M2... which likely will be even more close to the E30 M3 with respect to going back to a 4 cylinder and with weight reduction also indicated as a priority by BMW M engineers.

+1 on the wait for the 1M. However I fear that the next M2 or whatever they end up calling the successor to the 1M will be Larger in size based on the F20 chassis? It may be lighter overall but also a larger car.

[MNavigator]

August Mag
I am not sure if this is allowed, mods please delete if its inappropriate.

[grant]

Originally Posted by superchargedman

Their one nod to the M3 is that they have it on insider's account that the 1M will not offer the same speed limiter removal as the M3, as the 1M cannot achieve the same 174mph limit as the M3, due to drag.

The reason that the 1M has a lower unlimited top speed (stock) is that the M3 has significantly more horsepower.

The 1M's big torque allows it to run with (or passed) the M3 in acceleration tests, but top speed is all about HP and gearing (and aero).