the 7 speed manual

mad villain · 08-30-2011, 11:43 AM

we knew this day was coming....we were all just waiting to see how long it would take.

the 7 speed DCT transmission has been a huge hit in many cars, however the manual transmission enthusiasts have always been wondering what will happen to their beloved transmission. Is it being phased out? Or is there a new transmission in development?

Well here's the answer found in the new 2012 Porsche 911. The first look at a new 7 speed manual transmission gear shifter!

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...surprises-here

i wonder if or when we will see it in at BMW

VIDEO UPDATE!

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epiphone3 · 08-30-2011, 11:46 AM

having a 7th gear in a stick would probably be enough to guarantee me not going to the 8 speed auto. Right now, it is hard to justify having 6 gears versus 8 if buying a new car!

JS82 · 08-30-2011, 11:49 AM

Interesting, I would love to try it out.
But honestly I think 6MT is perfect.

IancoleTX · 08-30-2011, 11:53 AM

6 is plenty.

Q4P · 08-30-2011, 12:00 PM

Depends on how gearing is worked out here; if it' a 7 speed to keep the gears short then I would kill myself, if it's done so that 7th gear is served as nothing than an OD gear, then it's cool - it'll save gas at least.

gary88 · 08-30-2011, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Questforpower

Depends on how gearing is worked out here; if it' a 7 speed to keep the gears short then I would kill myself, if it's done so that 7th gear is served as nothing than an OD gear, then it's cool - it'll save gas at least.

+1

Zba · 08-30-2011, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Questforpower

Depends on how gearing is worked out here; if it' a 7 speed to keep the gears short then I would kill myself, if it's done so that 7th gear is served as nothing than an OD gear, then it's cool - it'll save gas at least.

That's all the PDK trans does. Seventh is a super overdriven gear which is how the Porsche equipped with hem get upper 20's mpgs. it's pretty cool!

shazzy04 · 08-30-2011, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JS82

Interesting, I would love to try it out.
But honestly I think 6MT is perfect.

Quote:

Originally Posted by IancoleTX

6 is plenty.

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N54B30A · 08-30-2011, 01:20 PM

They claim the 7th gear is strictly for fuel economy, i heard the rest of the gears are the same if not similar to the older 911s

jphughan · 08-30-2011, 01:28 PM

Personally I don't understand why they didn't just make 6th a lot longer. You seldom if ever go above 4th on a track, and even if you're on the autobahn and need as much acceleration as possible even in 5th, how hard do you need your car to pull in 6th? This just seems like overkill and increased potential for missed shifts or even money shifts, especially considering that there are now FIVE shifter columns since they didn't put Reverse under 7.

galahad05 · 08-30-2011, 01:31 PM

I'm not sure I'd want a seven-speed. I'd either not use one of the gears....or I'd finally cave in and get something like a DCT.

onebadmofo · 08-30-2011, 01:48 PM

I rarely use 5th myself. Sometimes even shift 1-2-6.

jphughan · 08-30-2011, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by onebadmofo

I rarely use 5th myself. Sometimes even shift 1-2-6.

I've done 4>6 but never 2>6! I hope you double-clutch that to keep wear down on your 6th gear synchro. It's not designed to deal with a large RPM difference.

fenixxishot · 08-30-2011, 02:02 PM

Shoot I'd take 10 gears if I could go 100 and get 30mpg lol

hmmcolor · 08-30-2011, 02:20 PM

They need to man up and just make it an 8-speed.

saeyedoc · 08-30-2011, 02:25 PM

Rumor is that are somehow using the PDK gearbox with a manual shift, that is why it's going to 7-speed

Arnold K. · 08-30-2011, 03:02 PM

6MT is just fine. Though if it is indeed only 7th gear that is very OD, then I could live with that.

Regarding someone mentioning why not just OD 6th gear even more, my reply to that would be because a lot of performance cars are very capable of making passes in 6th. I'd imagine no one would want that taken away, I'd especially imagine no one would want to keep downshifting to 5th everytime. Having a solid FD rate in the rear coupled to a good 6th gear ratio, with adequate power and torque and making moves without having to downshift is one of my favorite feelings in my cars personally.

onebadmofo · 08-30-2011, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jphughan

I've done 4>6 but never 2>6! I hope you double-clutch that to keep wear down on your 6th gear synchro. It's not designed to deal with a large RPM difference.

Start rolling in 1st, go to 3-4k in 2nd and switch to 6th, it falls right aroun 1-1.5k and there's plenty of torque to pick up the speed.

M340i Pride · 08-30-2011, 04:56 PM

oh how i miss my 6spd manual on my 08 accord coupe... sidetracked here.

yes, 6 would seem plenty to me but if 7th can serve as gas saver then it makes some sense.

tibra1 · 08-30-2011, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JS82

Interesting, I would love to try it out.
But honestly I think 6MT is perfect.

+1 I barely get in 6th gear now..in 6th w FBO and tuned I would have to be doing 80 MPH to be at 3K RPM

TheStigsTwin · 08-30-2011, 05:21 PM

I guess 7 gears makes sense for a more pure performance car like an M3 but in real world driving it seems excessive to me. I don't know, it kind of remnds me of the amp in Spinal Tap.

PKL · 08-30-2011, 05:23 PM

6MT FTW

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epiphone3 Lieutenant Colonel 111 Rep 1,772 Posts Drives: 2013 BMW X3 35i Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Calgary iTrader: (0)	having a 7th gear in a stick would probably be enough to guarantee me not going to the 8 speed auto. Right now, it is hard to justify having 6 gears versus 8 if buying a new car!
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JS82 Captain 29 Rep 659 Posts Drives: '08 E92 328i 6MT Jet Black Join Date: May 2010 Location: PA USA iTrader: (12)	Interesting, I would love to try it out. But honestly I think 6MT is perfect.
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jphughan Brigadier General 594 Rep 4,488 Posts Drives: '16 Cayman GT4 Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Austin, TX iTrader: (0)	Personally I don't understand why they didn't just make 6th a lot longer. You seldom if ever go above 4th on a track, and even if you're on the autobahn and need as much acceleration as possible even in 5th, how hard do you need your car to pull in 6th? This just seems like overkill and increased potential for missed shifts or even money shifts, especially considering that there are now FIVE shifter columns since they didn't put Reverse under 7. __________________ '16 Cayman GT4 (delivery pics, comparison to E92 M3 write-up) Gone but not forgotten: '11.75 M3 E92 Le Mans \| Black Nov w/ Alum \| 6MT (owned 5/2011 - 11/2015)
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saeyedoc Captain 284 Rep 835 Posts Drives: 2013 Carrera S, 2013 Panny GTS Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: San Antonio, TX iTrader: (0)	Rumor is that are somehow using the PDK gearbox with a manual shift, that is why it's going to 7-speed
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Arnold K. Private First Class 4 Rep 128 Posts Drives: 370Z Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: NYC iTrader: (0)	6MT is just fine. Though if it is indeed only 7th gear that is very OD, then I could live with that. Regarding someone mentioning why not just OD 6th gear even more, my reply to that would be because a lot of performance cars are very capable of making passes in 6th. I'd imagine no one would want that taken away, I'd especially imagine no one would want to keep downshifting to 5th everytime. Having a solid FD rate in the rear coupled to a good 6th gear ratio, with adequate power and torque and making moves without having to downshift is one of my favorite feelings in my cars personally. __________________ 2010 370Z 6MT Tune + Bolt Ons \| 2012 Jaguar XF 5.0
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M340i Pride Lieutenant Colonel 209 Rep 1,712 Posts Drives: 2020 BMW M340i Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Los Angeles, CA iTrader: (1)	oh how i miss my 6spd manual on my 08 accord coupe... sidetracked here. yes, 6 would seem plenty to me but if 7th can serve as gas saver then it makes some sense.
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TheStigsTwin Captain 11 Rep 964 Posts Drives: 2011 335xi Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Arizona iTrader: (0)	I guess 7 gears makes sense for a more pure performance car like an M3 but in real world driving it seems excessive to me. I don't know, it kind of remnds me of the amp in Spinal Tap.
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PKL Brigadier General 848 Rep 3,274 Posts Drives: 2020 M4, 2022 X6 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: San Fernando Valley iTrader: (1)	6MT FTW __________________
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