E90Post
 


Coby Wheel
 
BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum > BMW E90/E92/E93 3-series General Forums > General E90 Sedan / E91 Wagon / E92 Coupe / E93 Cabrio > Who the Heck Designed the Instrument and Dash Layout on the E90?



Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      09-05-2011, 03:47 PM   #1
JimKW
Private First Class
JimKW's Avatar
12
Rep
188
Posts

Drives: 06 BMW 330xi
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Sunbury, OH

iTrader: (0)

Who the Heck Designed the Instrument and Dash Layout on the E90?

The cup holder blocks the air to the passenger and it's kind of a reach, but I can liver with that. I don't care for the controls on the radio at all but is has great sound, so I'm fine with it.

But my biggest gripe is the frigging cruise control and the wiper control. Why the hell did they hide them behind the steering wheel so you can not even see them? Then put more controls than I will ever use in the steering wheel.

Yesterday was the first time I had to drive the car in the rain and I rarely drive the BMW. I had the hardest time getting the wipers set the way I wanted them, and it is impossible to look at the controls while driving. You just have to know what it does. On the other side they hid the cruise control down low and back. and then made it the most complicated cruise control system I have ever had.

Germans could learn something from the Swedes.

It is a fantastic car to drive though I do admit that.
__________________
2008 Space Grey BMW 535XI Wagon
2006 Alpine White/Terra Cotta BMW 330xi
2000 Red Crownline 180BR - Lil Red
2003 Dark Blue Toyota 4Runner V8
Appreciate 0
      09-05-2011, 03:52 PM   #2
JS82
Captain
JS82's Avatar
United_States
29
Rep
659
Posts

Drives: '08 E92 328i 6MT Jet Black
Join Date: May 2010
Location: PA USA

iTrader: (12)

No problems here.
Maybe you should drive your BMW more often and learn all the controls.
Appreciate 0
      09-05-2011, 03:54 PM   #3
ZURICH
Major
ZURICH's Avatar
Switzerland
41
Rep
1,153
Posts

Drives: E91 320d Touring M Sport
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Wettingen

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by JimKW View Post
The cup holder blocks the air to the passenger and it's kind of a reach, but I can liver with that. I don't care for the controls on the radio at all but is has great sound, so I'm fine with it.

But my biggest gripe is the frigging cruise control and the wiper control. Why the hell did they hide them behind the steering wheel so you can not even see them? Then put more controls than I will ever use in the steering wheel.

Yesterday was the first time I had to drive the car in the rain and I rarely drive the BMW. I had the hardest time getting the wipers set the way I wanted them, and it is impossible to look at the controls while driving. You just have to know what it does. On the other side they hid the cruise control down low and back. and then made it the most complicated cruise control system I have ever had.

Germans could learn something from the Swedes.

It is a fantastic car to drive though I do admit that.
Hi Dude, I know exactly where you are comming from.
My last ride was a V70R+ the one with the adaptive chassis!! comming to BMW was a bit of a culture shock but don't blame the Germans for not Knowing how to make a good layout, a German designed the V70 layout as well just a different brain pattern.
Trust me, you will soon sort out the indicators from the Cruise control, yep the wipers are a nightmare to get right, Just give it time.
__________________

M Sport Package, (PDC), front / rear, Cruise control
Mystic Blue Metallic, Beige Dakota leather, Alarm,
Automatic transmission, Panoramic glass roof, Heated Seats, Lumbar etc etc
"I don't Fuck around but when I do, I dont fuck around"
Appreciate 0
      09-05-2011, 03:55 PM   #4
dos
Private
2
Rep
68
Posts

Drives: 335i
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: st louis

iTrader: (0)

It took me a little while to get use to the controls, but after getting familiar with them I love how they are laid out. I don't have to take my eyes off the road for the cruise or wipes. Another bonus is you don't have to arm the cruise control(at least on my 07) like on most other cars. The only problem I have had a couple times is hitting the stalk for the bright lights instead of cruise control.
__________________
01 Audi S4 Avant
past 07 335i
past 06 VW GTI
past 02 VW GTI
Appreciate 0
      09-05-2011, 04:00 PM   #5
1NS0MN1A
Lieutenant
1NS0MN1A's Avatar
50
Rep
573
Posts

Drives: IS
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Location

iTrader: (7)

to be honest, the cruise control system in our cars are perfect. They are not complicated if you know what you are doing, like you said.

At the end of the day, the Germans assume that you are smart, which I like personally.
Appreciate 0
      09-05-2011, 04:03 PM   #6
DesiRoc
Kumar
DesiRoc's Avatar
United_States
70
Rep
747
Posts

Drives: E92 M3, E93 335i, S50 E30 325i
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Southeast US

iTrader: (2)

Lol that's because you're not supposed to look at the controls while you drive.

Takes only a day to get used to them. Once you're used to them, it's actually the simplest thing to use.

For the cruise control I wish it was up and down to increase or decrease speed instead of forward and backwards. That sort of bothers me because I used cruise control at highway speeds daily for my 25 mile one way commute.

As for the cup holders, it would've been nice to not have them both placed on the passenger side. It really messes with the passenger's space cushion.
Appreciate 0
      09-05-2011, 04:23 PM   #7
Nalod
Major
Nalod's Avatar
79
Rep
1,073
Posts

Drives: 2013 535i
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: NorthCarolina

iTrader: (0)

"who is responsible"?....... We want a name and them held accountable!

Get to know the car. Its not hard.
Appreciate 0
      09-05-2011, 04:29 PM   #8
ladius
Private First Class
17
Rep
184
Posts

Drives: '06 bmw 330i
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: SoCal

iTrader: (0)

As said by others, I think the controls (cruise and wipers) are superbly designed for driving. For the cruise control, you don't have to fiddle with extra buttons or steps, just set it, it's practically intuitive. I figured it out by driving it without having read the manual.
Appreciate 0
      09-05-2011, 04:31 PM   #9
Dark_Knight_335
Came to the N55 Darkside
Dark_Knight_335's Avatar
United_States
1112
Rep
12,740
Posts

Drives: 2011 335 E93 M-Sport
Join Date: May 2010
Location: NY/NJ

iTrader: (28)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bargamon View Post
"who is responsible"?....... We want a name and them held accountable!
Haha
Appreciate 0
      09-05-2011, 04:47 PM   #10
smack
Lieutenant Colonel
smack's Avatar
Germany
34
Rep
1,569
Posts

Drives: BMW's/Flex Polishers
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Spangdahlem Germany

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ladius View Post
As said by others, I think the controls (cruise and wipers) are superbly designed for driving. For the cruise control, you don't have to fiddle with extra buttons or steps, just set it, it's practically intuitive. I figured it out by driving it without having read the manual.
+1. I love they way they are set up. Very easy to use.
Appreciate 0
      09-05-2011, 04:58 PM   #11
3Coupe4Me
Private First Class
3Coupe4Me's Avatar
81
Rep
177
Posts

Drives: 2007 328i Coupe
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: S.FL

iTrader: (1)

I like that BMW don't think I'm dumb and so they layout the controls that's easy to use just by feel. This leaves your eyes on the road. It my ake some time but once learned it's very intuitive. Cup holders are perfectly fine because they discourage eating in the car and don't support "super size" cups. Also they make me not want to leave any thing in them for long periods of time.
__________________
-------------------------------------------------------

-------------------------------------------------------
Appreciate 0
      09-05-2011, 05:00 PM   #12
FrankoQ
Deny everything
FrankoQ's Avatar
United_States
217
Rep
11,378
Posts

Drives: 2006 330i; 2015 X6, S1000RR
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Beautiful MD

iTrader: (5)

Garage List
2015 BMW X6  [0.00]
2006 330i  [0.00]
No issues here either. I love the 3.
__________________

I need a drink

Appreciate 0
      09-05-2011, 06:49 PM   #13
JimKW
Private First Class
JimKW's Avatar
12
Rep
188
Posts

Drives: 06 BMW 330xi
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Sunbury, OH

iTrader: (0)

Well I bought two cars within a month of each other. The other being a 03 V8 Limited 4Runner, so I'm learning two at the same time. I figured out the cruise control enough to use it fine when I took the BMW about 1,000 miles the first week I bought it.

But having never driven it in the rain and yesterday I was out really enjoying the car by myself, and it started raining all of a sudden and raining very hard. I should not have to pull over and figure out how to turn on the wipers. I'm smart enough to get them working by feel, which I did. But I could honestly not see the controls to read them at all.

Never had a car with rain sensors before either. I kept trying to figure out the hell it knew the windshield was wet and sometimes it was a little too we before it swiped.

By myself in the car though and plugging my new MP3 player into the stereo and blasting it was very cool though. That has to be the best factory sound system I've ever heard.

I listened to Retrospective by Leon Russell. Kind of a strange one to listen too, but it sure sounded good. Leon is not one that many people listen to though that's for sure. But if you are older and every been into him when younger, you should check it out. I had never really listened to him since we quit listening to albums maybe 25 years ago. I recently ran across this CD and picked up and downloaded to the MP3 player.
__________________
2008 Space Grey BMW 535XI Wagon
2006 Alpine White/Terra Cotta BMW 330xi
2000 Red Crownline 180BR - Lil Red
2003 Dark Blue Toyota 4Runner V8
Appreciate 0
      09-05-2011, 06:52 PM   #14
Jeff@TopGearSolutions
Jeff@TopGearSolutions's Avatar
United_States
3441
Rep
79,211
Posts

Drives: C6 Z06, 09 335i, 10 335xi
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: www.TopGearSolutions.com

iTrader: (37)

Some BMW's didnt have cup holders back in the day cause they are considered a "drivers car".

It is a bad location but I think that is because they didnt plan on putting one in. Then they thought of all the obese americans that need their fix of fast food and probably threw it in LOL
Appreciate 0
      09-05-2011, 06:54 PM   #15
Syndicategt
Brigadier General
Syndicategt's Avatar
United_States
153
Rep
3,730
Posts

Drives: 335i
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Nor Cal

iTrader: (11)

Just use the auto wipers, push button in...light comes on....and you're set.
__________________
2008 BMW 335i e90 - Sold - Rob Beck Turbos / PROcede V5 / Aquamist HFS-4 / AR Downpipes / AE Exhaust / ER Comp FMIC / ER CP / TiAL BOV / Custom Intake / RPI Scoops / Quaife LSD / Swift-Koni Coilovers / DSS HS / Morr VS8.2 Sig Black / Michelin PSS / P3 Boost Guage / M3 body / M3 steering wheel / Adam's Rotors / Hawk HPS / SS lines /
Appreciate 0
      09-05-2011, 06:54 PM   #16
username604
Colonel
username604's Avatar
United_States
124
Rep
2,554
Posts

Drives: bmw
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: repair shop

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2008 BMW 335i  [10.00]
No problems here. I love the cruise control and the wiper control. Seriously, taking 5 min to learn the functions is better than having 55 buttons. Not to mention, i use all the controls of my steering wheel... lets see there's the volume, the skip track control, phone, voice command, and 2 customs. I don't see the big deal, they look like 4 rockers.
Appreciate 0
      09-05-2011, 06:58 PM   #17
JimKW
Private First Class
JimKW's Avatar
12
Rep
188
Posts

Drives: 06 BMW 330xi
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Sunbury, OH

iTrader: (0)

That is funny because at one time Volvos refused to put cup holders in their cars. Then they finally realized that some Americans were literally not buying them because they didn't have cup holders. So 1995 was the first year they offered a really poor cup holder system. Pulled straight out of the center console and if you had a cold drink dripped water all over the window switches. I'm still driving one that does that and I have had to replace the switches because my wife spilled a drink getting it out of the cup holder.
__________________
2008 Space Grey BMW 535XI Wagon
2006 Alpine White/Terra Cotta BMW 330xi
2000 Red Crownline 180BR - Lil Red
2003 Dark Blue Toyota 4Runner V8
Appreciate 0
      09-05-2011, 07:16 PM   #18
Lezam
Chillerrrr
Lezam's Avatar
United_States
9
Rep
229
Posts

Drives: 2011 335xi sedan
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: NYC

iTrader: (1)

The cup holders are annoying, and the lack of storage space is even worse...
Appreciate 0
      09-05-2011, 07:23 PM   #19
jphughan
Brigadier General
jphughan's Avatar
United_States
594
Rep
4,488
Posts

Drives: '16 Cayman GT4
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Austin, TX

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by DesiRoc View Post
For the cruise control I wish it was up and down to increase or decrease speed instead of forward and backwards. That sort of bothers me because I used cruise control at highway speeds daily for my 25 mile one way commute.

As for the cup holders, it would've been nice to not have them both placed on the passenger side. It really messes with the passenger's space cushion.
As for cruise control, I think it uses forward/back because that requires less precision and is therefore easier to execute. When I need to go up/down I need to move my whole hand down to that stalk either to get my finger under the bottom of the stalk to go up or to be able to press the stalk down far enough to go down, whereas I can just drop my fingers keeping my hand in place to go forward/back -- and that's probably exactly why the Germans didn't set it up that way.

For the cupholders, as other have said the Euro-spec cars don't even HAVE cupholders. It's an afterthought concession to us. I heard a story that when the new Xers were being developed, one of the main criticisms from America was the size of the cupholders, so BMW NA sent BMW AG some Big Gulp cups to show them what their cupholders had to deal with over here!
__________________
'16 Cayman GT4 (delivery pics, comparison to E92 M3 write-up)

Gone but not forgotten:
'11.75 M3 E92 Le Mans | Black Nov w/ Alum | 6MT (owned 5/2011 - 11/2015)

Last edited by jphughan; 09-05-2011 at 07:28 PM..
Appreciate 0
      09-05-2011, 07:27 PM   #20
edirtaynine
Major General
81
Rep
6,092
Posts

Drives: e92
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: SoCal

iTrader: (0)

i love the cruise control setup in our cars. best one ive had yet.

windshield wipers are retarded tho.
Appreciate 0
      09-05-2011, 07:32 PM   #21
dday
Captain
33
Rep
856
Posts

Drives: 2014 Alpine White 335 M-Sport
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: MA

iTrader: (1)

So from what I gather you can't figure out the wipers or cruise.

1. Wipers - Push button, they are automatic (done)
2. Cruise Control - Pull stalk, sets cruise control. Push lightly adds 1mph push harder and moves in 5mph increments, converse is true when you pull it towards you.

What's hard about either of those things? You shouldn't be looking at controls while driving that's the whole point.
Appreciate 0
      09-05-2011, 07:36 PM   #22
jphughan
Brigadier General
jphughan's Avatar
United_States
594
Rep
4,488
Posts

Drives: '16 Cayman GT4
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Austin, TX

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by dday View Post
So from what I gather you can't figure out the wipers or cruise.

1. Wipers - Push button, they are automatic (done)
2. Cruise Control - Pull stalk, sets cruise control. Push lightly adds 1mph push harder and moves in 5mph increments, converse is true when you pull it towards you.

What's hard about either of those things? You shouldn't be looking at controls while driving that's the whole point.
Also add:

Wipers - adjust the little slider switch to adjust the sensitivity of the rain sensor.

Cruise Control - Move stalk up/down to disable cruise without braking, press the button to resume.

I agree, what's so hard about that?
__________________
'16 Cayman GT4 (delivery pics, comparison to E92 M3 write-up)

Gone but not forgotten:
'11.75 M3 E92 Le Mans | Black Nov w/ Alum | 6MT (owned 5/2011 - 11/2015)
Appreciate 0
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:13 AM.




e90post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST