[Adil]

Hi Guys,

I'm looking to buy a 335i and one of things I was looking for was for it to have 40k or less in terms of millege. However I will be modding the car inc up rated turbo's at some point and so i'm wondering weather i should in that case not pay attention to the millege too much and save some money by buying a 60k 335i and then using the money i save towards the turbo upgrade/refurb in the future?

Also I was adimant on getting an M sport but i am going to mod the exterior so i'm thinking rather than spend extra money to buy an msport shall i just try and find a well spec'd SE and use the money i save towards the exterior mod's I want?

How come some BMW's have bigger screens in the dash than others i.e. the sat nav screen. Some seem smaller and some seem bigger? Are The bigger ones the Pro Sat Nav ones and the small screens something else?

Its a choice between these 2 and now i'm thinking the SE makes more sense given the saving and the plans i have for the future, what do you guys think?

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classifi...1501?logcode=p

Or

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classifi...1501?logcode=p

Your feedback would be appreciated.

Thanks

[creepy coupe]

Late 2008 cars had the revised idrive with a HDD and a larger screen.I've only owned M Sport models. I didn't think Business Nav was an option in the E92 335i Unless it was in the SE?

I'd have thought if you're going to increase the engine output by a large amount, then low mileage with full BMW service history, would be the way to go.

[Adil]

i've seen 07 plates with the larger screen on auto trader and my friend had an 07 plate 335i vert with the larger screen. However recently another friend of mine was drivign a 335i 2010 plate, Touring and it was M sport but had the smaller sat nav screen

[creepy coupe]

Originally Posted by Adil

i've seen 07 plates with the larger screen on auto trader and my friend had an 07 plate 335i vert with the larger screen. However recently another friend of mine was drivign a 335i 2010 plate, Touring and it was M sport but had the smaller sat nav screen

I stand corrected then, must be Business and Pro Nav.

[Adil]

Yep Creepy Coupe, Just found this thread and the smalelr screen one is Biz and the larger ones are Pro.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157035

Thanks.

The fact that I am going to uprate the turbo's means that i will have fresh turbo's isntalled and so the millege of the OEM turbo's won't matter which is why I was thinking a 60k 335i would be fine for me due to the money I will save which I can put towards TD or RB turbo upgrade?

[jimmylimmy]

are you looking for auto only?

[Nick999]

Looking at the ywo cars, it's worth paying a little extra for the M Sport model because it was registered December 2007. This makes it the Efficient Dynamics model with lower road tax at £260 per year.

The 07 plate SE model will cost £445.

Change over was towards the end of September 2007

[creepy coupe]

Originally Posted by Adil

Yep Creepy Coupe, Just found this thread and the smalelr screen one is Biz and the larger ones are Pro.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157035

Thanks.

The fact that I am going to uprate the turbo's means that i will have fresh turbo's isntalled and so the millege of the OEM turbo's won't matter which is why I was thinking a 60k 335i would be fine for me due to the money I will save which I can put towards TD or RB turbo upgrade?

My comment re the lower mileage was really about a stronger bottom end, rather than the mileage the turbo had covered. Personally I'd prefer lower mileage for reliability.

[Adil]

@ Jimmy - Yes Auto only

@ Nick ye but when you comapre the saving in buying the SE I would rather pay the extra road tax per yr and have a couple of grand to spend towards turbo mods. Don't you think that makes more sense than buying an M sport jsut to save 200 quid a year? Plus 90% of the m sport stuff comes on SE anyways ex bodykit and im gona prob change all the M sport stuff for after market stuff anyways e.g. steering wheel, suspension, bodykit are all gona get taken out. Only sports seats will be left in.

@ Creepy Coupe - Ye I see what you mean but then i've read threads where people have said in the UK comapred to the rest of Europe we get caught up too much on millege and anythign high millege is deemed not good myself inc but now thinking about it I would think the bottom end would still be good even at 60k?

I just wanna make sure I make the right purchase and not regret spending extra money on a low millege m sport afterwards unless then I just get a low millege SE and still save some money but maybe not as much as buying a high miller.

[creepy coupe]

Depends how much BHP you hope to extract from it IMO

[Adil]

Prob wanna get around 420-470

This one caught my eye but its Feb 07 and will prob have the older sat nav sys with smaller screen rather than the larger one which according the the link i posted started from Sept 07 models. But its low millege.

http://bmw.co.uk/bmwuk/bmwauc/detail...x12-price_DESC

What sort of buying power do we have to get money off from a dealer on a car like this do you think? Could I haggle down to 1k off the list price or is that probably asking too much?

[creepy coupe]

Originally Posted by Adil

Prob wanna get around 420-470

I'd be wanting the best condition of engine within budget.

[Nick999]

Originally Posted by Adil

Prob wanna get around 420-470

This one caught my eye but its Feb 07 and will prob have the older sat nav sys with smaller screen rather than the larger one which according the the link i posted started from Sept 07 models. But its low millege.

http://bmw.co.uk/bmwuk/bmwauc/detail...x12-price_DESC

What sort of buying power do we have to get money off from a dealer on a car like this do you think? Could I haggle down to 1k off the list price or is that probably asking too much?

Yep I got £1k knocked off my AUC last year! But that SE is well over priced. Would want £3k off that. Plus it has awful cream trim

[creepy coupe]

I had that interior in a 320d E92 with LMB and thought it looked good.

[idnan]

My 58 plate 335i has done 74k and has been running a map for the last 10k+ in the last year. The n54 internals are forged so I really wouldn't be too concerned with the higher mileage engines. I've decided to keep mine now so the turbo upgrade and meth are back on the table but first LSD and suspension is getting sorted.

One thing to note about higher mileage cars is resale value. This has really bitten me in the arse and I am going to lose quite a bit on this car despite the relatively cheap (at the time) purchase price.

[Adil]

@ Nick 99 - Ye I know lol, i was hoping to get one with black interior but theres not too many about so i'm thinking il just swap the interior out for black after if i find a well spec'd car and thats the only thing thats not what i wanted. Shoudlnt be too much hassle.

@idnan - ye thats what i thought, im sure it would be ok as long as its serviced well etc. I'm not planning on selling the car as i'm gona hang on to it for quite a while as other things will take precident. (but again as i'm gona keep it for a long time it makes me wanna get a low millege car). The BMW AUC car is a 56 plate so will have the old sat nav. I need to find 57 SE/M sport plate cars.

I looked at car valuations for the these cars on what car and they all seem to be way over priced including the msport in my initial post. Maybe the seller thinks the low millege will allow a premium as What Car said it should be valued at 16k although i'm not sure if that takes into account any extra's.

Hummmmm

[Cozy]

If you're replacing the turbo's then there is no worry with mileage as whether the wastegates are rattling or not won't matter if they're going. You'll get about 420bhp from standard turbo's at the flywheel but if it's WHP you're on about then hybrid is the way forward or the Garrett bolt-ons. As said, forged internals so you're good there and I don't see a problem going for a high miler if it's had its services . I've seen, in the trade, cars that have done 30k and treated badly which are worse than those of 100k owned by someone who looked after it.

As for body styling, that's up to you to decided really. Personally I couldn't get along with the SE styling so it was a choice of M-Sport or Aero Kit, personally I like the M-Sport kit better. You have the option of doing a replica M3 conversion which consists of wider front arches, bonnet and bumper to suit the non-M3 E9X but consider that you'll need wider arches fabricated for the rear and that you'll have to run spacers of wheels with a higher offset. Seeing as you're planning on tuning the hell out of it though, I'd choose a cheaper SE model and add your own touches.

[Adil]

i've been told that the issue with a high miler if i'm switiching the turbos wont be the condition of the turbo's but actually the amount of carbon build up in the rest of the engine which you would assume would be more on e.g. a 60k car than a 30k car?

In terms of styling i either want to get the Autovogue kit or go for m sport kit with maybe an m3 rep front bumper and a aftermarket rear diffuser with quad cut outs. I think the whole M3 rep including wings etc is too much work and too expensive.

[gangzoom]

Didn't realise the N54 unit could handle 420bhp with stock internals and turbos...what on earth BMW doing rating them at 306 stock!!

[jimmylimmy]

Originally Posted by JamJay

If you're replacing the turbo's then there is no worry with mileage as whether the wastegates are rattling or not won't matter if they're going. You'll get about 420bhp from standard turbo's at the flywheel but if it's WHP you're on about then hybrid is the way forward or the Garrett bolt-ons. As said, forged internals so you're good there and I don't see a problem going for a high miler if it's had its services . I've seen, in the trade, cars that have done 30k and treated badly which are worse than those of 100k owned by someone who looked after it.

As for body styling, that's up to you to decided really. Personally I couldn't get along with the SE styling so it was a choice of M-Sport or Aero Kit, personally I like the M-Sport kit better. You have the option of doing a replica M3 conversion which consists of wider front arches, bonnet and bumper to suit the non-M3 E9X but consider that you'll need wider arches fabricated for the rear and that you'll have to run spacers of wheels with a higher offset. Seeing as you're planning on tuning the hell out of it though, I'd choose a cheaper SE model and add your own touches.

+1

[idnan]

Originally Posted by gangzoom

Didn't realise the N54 unit could handle 420bhp with stock internals and turbos...what on earth BMW doing rating them at 306 stock!!

The Yanks are running 500hp+ at the wheels on standard internals

[Adil]

Originally Posted by gangzoom

Didn't realise the N54 unit could handle 420bhp with stock internals and turbos...what on earth BMW doing rating them at 306 stock!!

Yep, all u need is a good remap and an uprated intercooler.

Tuners have found out very quickly how much BMW underestimated this engine.