2012 production for the US

[jnm]

Disclaimer: not trying to create a new dead horse for beating here. I personally have a 1M built and en route so I don't care if this is true or not...

But I have spent a lot of time worrying about allocations this year and I know a lot of people are still looking for one.

As part of my search I had sent a lot of Emails to dealerships (in vain) and of course they probably kept my address in their list. So yesterday I got an email from one of those dealership asking me if Im still looking for a 1M. I'm not but I was curious and answered, was then told that I could put a deposit for a 2012 production. Even more curious I ask about that and I was told that "BMW is meeting this week to decide how many allocations the dealers will get for 2012 production in the US".

When expressing disbelief at this I was then told that this information was "straight from the manager mouth from the BMW updates we receive here at the dealership"

So, truth to the rumor or simply misguided clueless CA or evil manager trying to get deposits on cars he won't get? You guys can decide that .

I personally hope they bring more to the US (yes, even though I have one because I can relate to being in the shoes of someone looking for one) because I'm not selfish and it will still be a very rare car no matter.

[nebby]

There is nothing (unfortunately for you) that points to that info being even remotely correct.

[bayer]

Hope its true, but sincerely doubt it is.

[Pete_vB]

A rumor is not a rumor that doesn't die, and I've heard this one a few too many times. I've also been in touch with someone in the know, and while they never said yes to 2012 US cars, they pointedly also didn't say no. The emissions standards argument never held water for me. I would not be surprised, but let's see.

[1SerieStud]

not again

"Ok so guys, I don't wanna beat a dead horse but, I'm gonna beat a dead horse."

Why don't you all just chill for 2 months, and you'll have the answer..2012 is right around the corner.

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[Pete_vB]

No, this is not a repost. This is new information, even if it's not confirmed.

[1SerieStud]

Originally Posted by Pete_vB

No, this is not a repost. This is new information, even if it's not confirmed.

LOL new information that sounds identical to what I've heard before = repost.

[bayer]

There is emission regulation that goes into effect for model year 2012. Never bothered to look this up before, just took at it at face value.

http://www.epa.gov/otaq/climate/regu.../420f10014.htm

The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and the Department of Transportation’s National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) are finalizing a joint rule to establish a national program consisting of new standards for model year 2012 through 2016 light-duty vehicles that will reduce greenhouse gas emissions and improve fuel economy. EPA is finalizing the first-ever national greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions standards under the Clean Air Act, and NHTSA is finalizing Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) standards under the Energy Policy and Conservation Act.

The new standards apply to new passenger cars, light-duty trucks, and medium-duty passenger vehicles, covering model years 2012 through 2016. The EPA GHG standards require these vehicles to meet an estimated combined average emissions level of 250 grams of carbon dioxide (CO2) per mile in model year 2016, equivalent to 35.5 miles per gallon (mpg) if the automotive industry were to meet this CO2 level all through fuel economy improvements.

These final rules were developed in response to President Obama’s call for a strong and coordinated federal greenhouse gas and fuel economy program. At the same time, the national program allows automobile manufacturers to build a single light-duty national fleet that satisfies all requirements under both Federal programs and the standards of the State of California and other states that have adopted the California standards. The national program therefore provides critical nationwide environmental and energy benefits while ensuring that consumers have a full range of vehicle choices.

[b33g33]

[Amnizu]

Originally Posted by Delrin

The new standards apply to new passenger cars, light-duty trucks, and medium-duty passenger vehicles, covering model years 2012 through 2016. The EPA GHG standards require these vehicles to meet an estimated combined average emissions level of 250 grams of carbon dioxide (CO2) per mile in model year 2016, equivalent to 35.5 miles per gallon (mpg) if the automotive industry were to meet this CO2 level all through fuel economy improvements.
[/I]

Current 1m emissions is 224 G/km. per nextgreencar

So converted per mile at a ratio of 1.61 km to a mile that's 350 g/mile. Or 100 grams over the standard.

Granted theses standards are an aggregate total for all cars sold by a manufacturer. So the diesel models and 128s will help bring this in line. However, this seems to hold water to me, the more 1ms they sell the less x6s and 750s they can sell which have a higher profit margin for them.

[Pete_vB]

Originally Posted by 1SerieStud

LOL new information that sounds identical to what I've heard before = repost.

Really? Your dealer emailed you yesterday to say this? Wow- you should have posted.

Originally Posted by Delrin

There is emission regulation that goes into effect for model year 2012. Never bothered to look this up before, just took at it at face value.

The issue is that these standard are for average fuel economy. The 1M sells in small enough numbers (at such a high profit) that it just doesn't move the average fuel economy needle.

[LOVEM]

i got a call from momentum bmw houston new car sales manger also .mentioning about 2012 1m production also he was wondering if i was still in market for that car. and i replied thanks i got mine.

[1SerieStud]

Originally Posted by Pete_vB

Really? Your dealer emailed you yesterday to say this? Wow- you should have posted.


The issue is that these standard are for average fuel economy. The 1M sells in small enough numbers (at such a high profit) that it just doesn't move the average fuel economy needle.

Dude, a few things:

1) There was a widely distributed letter from BMW NA specifying the end of the run of the 1M for North America. They even requested for the dealers to not take any additional orders.

2) As if #1 isn't enough proof, all remaining orders in the bank were pulled back and deleted by BMW. My dealer actually had 2 additional orders in the bank after mine, both of which completely vanished from the system.

3) The new emission laws are not news to anyone.

Tell you what, I'm not going to argue this point, instead, I'll come back in January and type "I told you so."

[1SerieStud]

Originally Posted by LOVEM

i got a call from momentum bmw houston new car sales manger also .mentioning about 2012 1m production also he was wondering if i was still in market for that car. and i replied thanks i got mine.

Keyword: new car sales manager - the guy probably has no idea what he's talking about, like many others at multiple dealers.

[BimmerJim]

Originally Posted by 1SerieStud

Dude, a few things:

1) There was a widely distributed letter from BMW NA specifying the end of the run of the 1M for North America. They even requested for the dealers to not take any additional orders.

2) As if #1 isn't enough proof, all remaining orders in the bank were pulled back and deleted by BMW. My dealer actually had 2 additional orders in the bank after mine, both of which completely vanished from the system.

3) The new emission laws are not news to anyone.

Tell you what, I'm not going to argue this point, instead, I'll come back in January and type "I told you so."

+1

[dcb]

Originally Posted by 1SerieStud

Keyword: new car sales manager - the guy probably has no idea what he's talking about, like many others at multiple dealers.

Do you think maybe he meant "New" vs "Preowned"?

[bayer]

Originally Posted by Amnizu

Current 1m emissions is 224 G/km. per nextgreencar

So converted per mile at a ratio of 1.61 km to a mile that's 350 g/mile. Or 100 grams over the standard.

Granted theses standards are an aggregate total for all cars sold by a manufacturer. So the diesel models and 128s will help bring this in line. However, this seems to hold water to me, the more 1ms they sell the less x6s and 750s they can sell which have a higher profit margin for them.

Exactly. And also, why an N54 can be still be used in other 2012 models, because of this aggregate. From what I read, it sounds like NHTSA/EPA allow a 4 year phase in period so the OEM is not slammed with meeting the new requirement in one model year, rather has 4 years to phase out its old fleet and ramp up compliance to the new requirement. In some BMW exec meeting, the N54 for 2012 1M didn't make the cut for what I assume was a business case decision (probably based on E82 life cycle).

[1SerieStud]

Originally Posted by dcb

Do you think maybe he meant "New" vs "Preowned"?

Valid point...still irrelevant to the subject at hand. I just can't wait for 2012 to come around so all this can be put to rest.

[dcb]

Originally Posted by 1SerieStud

Valid point...still irrelevant to the subject at hand. I just can't wait for 2012 to come around so all this can be put to rest.

Agree...

Also, it's like the weeks leading up to an iPhone release. Rumours galore! haha

[Pete_vB]

Originally Posted by 1SerieStud

Tell you what, I'm not going to argue this point, instead, I'll come back in January and type "I told you so."

I have mine. But as you say, we shall see...

[1SerieStud]

Originally Posted by Pete_vB

I have mine. But as you say, we shall see...

As I recall it, you were all over the Allocations thread looking for a car, why didn't you wait for the 2012's to come out? Better yet, judging by the cars listed under your user name, it doesn't say you drive a 1M. So if you haven't taken delivery yet, do me a favor: please allow the next person in line to have your allocation, and order a 2012 for yourself.

[mPlasticDesign]

Yaaaawwwwwnnn......