Diesel now 5p more expensive than Shell V-power

Vaheed1 · 12-11-2011, 06:05 AM

..up here in Newcastle..

Happy Days

Kerr · 12-11-2011, 06:49 AM

It's only going to get worse I'm afraid. The gap will get bigger over time.

Palmnuts · 12-11-2011, 07:16 AM

Surely a fuel efficient (40mpg+) petrol is the way forward these days over a diesel? You also get a nicer sound, a bigger rev range and you can buy fuel from as 'little' (said very much tongue in cheek) as 128.9ppl.

What would I know anyway, I haven't seen the upside of 20mpg for a few years now!

But, if I was looking for economy, I'd be looking at one of BMW's new 4-pot turbo's, Fiat Groups' multi-airs, VW's 1.4's turbos (up-to 180hp from these....I'm sure we'll see 200hp from a factory-spec 1.4 soon) etc etc. instead of a diesel. In the meantime I'll struggle along with my £90 fill-ups every 300 miles (I don't even use premium fuel in the Jag!).

BanziBarn · 12-11-2011, 07:28 AM

Yep, the new 328 will be filling this specific gap!

rich1068 · 12-11-2011, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Palmnuts

But, if I was looking for economy, I'd be looking at one of BMW's new 4-pot turbo's, Fiat Groups' multi-airs, VW's 1.4's turbos

My thoughts exactly. I'm looking around for something for Mrs. rich1068 and added to the fact you can't get a diesel without a DPF, petrol seems to be the way forward.

jjbirch530d · 12-11-2011, 09:59 AM

i wonder how many people are running red now since they changed the mix making it cleaner

dxb335d · 12-11-2011, 10:27 AM

Well run V-Power Denzil then!! If that's what you meant?

jjbirch530d · 12-11-2011, 10:29 AM

just plain red diesel

CarAbuser · 12-11-2011, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by jjbirch530d

just plain red diesel

Is it now just as good as standard diesel?

Might be worth using red with some of that millers stuff if it's not going to harm the engine. I worked out that if I got away with using it for 6 months then it would effectively cover the cost of the fine and any saving after would be in my pocket.

dxb335d · 12-11-2011, 10:56 AM

Geeza I know has a E39 530d and has just started running it on red. Suppose he will soon find out if it's the same quality as normal Denz!!

jjbirch530d · 12-11-2011, 11:03 AM

in jan 2010 they banned selling cheap red stuff, now it has more bio-fuel in it and has been refined more, i know i chap that has ran a transit for 2 years and his savings are in the thousands

Kerr · 12-11-2011, 11:39 AM

Is red diesel not just diesel coloured red to identify it as cheap tax/tax exempt fuel?

dxb335d · 12-11-2011, 11:39 AM

But what are the penalties if you get caught! Jj how long have you been running red-Denz!?

jjbirch530d · 12-11-2011, 11:41 AM

i never run red but have been dipped with my transit few years ago,fine depends on how much you have used which would be very hard to prove, sometimes a few hundred pound fine

Kerr · 12-11-2011, 11:42 AM

£500 on the spot fine or car in impounded with further costs.

Kerr · 12-11-2011, 11:44 AM

The testers turned up at my old place of work to test all diesels in the car park.

It's a lot more common than you think.

dxb335d · 12-11-2011, 11:51 AM

Never heard of anyone getting tested. Must be just farmers.

jjbirch530d · 12-11-2011, 11:59 AM

very rare down here, once in 10 years for me

Vaheed1 · 12-11-2011, 12:38 PM

Currently, petrol is c1.29ppl - V power petrol c1.35ppl - diesel c1.40ppl and diesel ultimate c 1.45ppl.

There's a very valid argument against big diesel engines at the moment, in favour of 4 pot turbo charged engines. It's my current argument for the Golf GTi over the 535d.

dxb335d · 12-11-2011, 12:41 PM

Yes a bit like few years back where some people thought "sod it" and bought the more powerful petrol anyway. Why not "sod it" and buy the big powerful diesel mate!!??

Upto you!!

I think out of the golf/535 I would go Bimmer myself!!

mjh93sa · 12-11-2011, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Palmnuts

Surely a fuel efficient (40mpg+) petrol is the way forward these days over a diesel?

Good idea!

acerboo · 12-11-2011, 01:22 PM

were just getting ripped off on diesel, in france its considerably cheaper than petrol and they dont pay road tax and they mot every 2 years, and they have fantastic smooth roads. thats another thing has anyone ever done a study on the benefits to economy on smooth road surfaces to the rough rutted ones we have to suffer in the uk? Rip off britain strikes again

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Palmnuts Lieutenant Colonel 170 Rep 1,957 Posts Drives: Huracan Evo & M8 GC Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Leicestershire, UK iTrader: (0)	Surely a fuel efficient (40mpg+) petrol is the way forward these days over a diesel? You also get a nicer sound, a bigger rev range and you can buy fuel from as 'little' (said very much tongue in cheek) as 128.9ppl. What would I know anyway, I haven't seen the upside of 20mpg for a few years now! But, if I was looking for economy, I'd be looking at one of BMW's new 4-pot turbo's, Fiat Groups' multi-airs, VW's 1.4's turbos (up-to 180hp from these....I'm sure we'll see 200hp from a factory-spec 1.4 soon) etc etc. instead of a diesel. In the meantime I'll struggle along with my £90 fill-ups every 300 miles (I don't even use premium fuel in the Jag!).
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jjbirch530d Banned 2 Rep 103 Posts Drives: bmw 5 series Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: n devon iTrader: (0)	i wonder how many people are running red now since they changed the mix making it cleaner
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jjbirch530d Banned 2 Rep 103 Posts Drives: bmw 5 series Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: n devon iTrader: (0)	just plain red diesel
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jjbirch530d Banned 2 Rep 103 Posts Drives: bmw 5 series Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: n devon iTrader: (0)	in jan 2010 they banned selling cheap red stuff, now it has more bio-fuel in it and has been refined more, i know i chap that has ran a transit for 2 years and his savings are in the thousands
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Kerr Brigadier General 112 Rep 4,021 Posts Drives: BMW M235I Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Aberdeen iTrader: (0)	Is red diesel not just diesel coloured red to identify it as cheap tax/tax exempt fuel?
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jjbirch530d Banned 2 Rep 103 Posts Drives: bmw 5 series Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: n devon iTrader: (0)	i never run red but have been dipped with my transit few years ago,fine depends on how much you have used which would be very hard to prove, sometimes a few hundred pound fine
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Kerr Brigadier General 112 Rep 4,021 Posts Drives: BMW M235I Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Aberdeen iTrader: (0)	The testers turned up at my old place of work to test all diesels in the car park. It's a lot more common than you think.
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Vaheed1 Major 62 Rep 1,112 Posts Drives: E90 330d M Sport Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Newcastle Upon Tyne iTrader: (0)	Currently, petrol is c1.29ppl - V power petrol c1.35ppl - diesel c1.40ppl and diesel ultimate c 1.45ppl. There's a very valid argument against big diesel engines at the moment, in favour of 4 pot turbo charged engines. It's my current argument for the Golf GTi over the 535d.
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