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a little n55 love from the guys at Forge
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12-19-2011, 07:31 PM | #1 |
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a little n55 love from the guys at Forge
I've been plannig an intercooler upgrade since I fitted
the AR catless downpipe. It was crucial for me to have this done before I proceed with a remap. I have spoken to a couple of compaties who do them on n55 engines here in Europe but it will need to wait until early next year. Meanwhile I decided to give the n55 JB Stage 2 a try (thanks Mike for anwsering all my questions prior to purchase). As some of you might have seen me mention, the guys at Forge Motorsport UK recently took my car in for a little development. They were willing work on an N55 intercooler application and I was more than happy to supply the car. It was with them for two weeks. During this time they managed to perfect the fitment for the 335. It is a bar and plate core. Very clean installation that requires no trmming whatsoever. I must say I quite like the oem look of the unit (impossible to notice from the outside). You can also see Forge recreated the intercooler couplers so it fits with the oem piping. This is one of the early progress shots: further shots show the finished product in place. I have been a sucker for good welds ever since I first tried welding something on my own ...and lets just say it isn't one of my many talents couplers in action With the intercooler in place Chris and the guys begun dyno testing and temperature logging: Tests have been performed on: -map 0 (stock) + stock intercooler -map 1 + stock intercooler -map 0 + forge intercooler -map 1 + forge intercooler On map 0 the differences between intercoolers were negligible - 355bhp and 355lb/ft stock and virtually the same with the new intercooler in place. On map 1 the car made 374bhp and 439 lb/ft with the stock core so quite a jump in torque over map 0, however this really tested the intercooler and the inlet temp peaked at 60 deg C. You can see a dip in the graph as this temp is reached and the ECU pull timing or fuel (or both) to compensate. You probably wouldn’t notice it on the road but it’s there. On map 1 with upgraded intercooler on the car made 389.6bhp (so +15bhp) and 440lb/ft . The peak torque figure is the same but it holds the torque much higher for much longer, look at the differences between the solid and faint orange lines on the graph – for instance with new core on it makes 25lb/ft more torque at 4500rpm than with the stock core. Peak inlet temp with new core was 39 deg C ( 21 less then stock). This is where you can see the benefit of the cooler intake - new core keeps making power and torque, where the stock one starts to drop away. *** Edit *** I just received the temperature log from Chris @ Forge The results are slightly better than I initialy thought. The stock intercooler peaked at 66.2 deg C and Forge Intercooler peaked at 36.6 deg C so a difference of 30 deg C. Ambient temp was 12 deg C. As testing has been carried out on a dyno, I'm expecting for these results to be even better with more airflow when the vehicle is moving. ****** Dyno sheets: Map 0 + stock intercooler Map 1 + stock intercooler vs Map 1 + upgraded intercooler I must say I'm very pleased with the new improved curves. Unfortunately we didnt get a chance to run any tests on Map 2 and Map 7 and I can immagine the numbers could be quite impressive. Also there wasn't a single dry day since I got the JB Stage 2 around 3 weeks so I couldnt really test the power (I tend to break traction in 3rd)...I will be going home for christmas so I'm planning to hit the same dyno where I took my stock car prior to installing any mods in order to see what the delta is. Again many thanks for Chris and the Forge team in Gloucester. Brilliant guys, amazing workshop and incredible craftsmanship. Hope we will still have a chance to work on something in the future. Michal oh, and just a little sneak peek of what the guys have been up to these days
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12-19-2011, 09:12 PM | #5 |
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Looks good!
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12-19-2011, 09:17 PM | #6 |
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12-19-2011, 10:01 PM | #7 |
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Nice setup. Looks like quality workmanship!
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12-19-2011, 11:33 PM | #8 |
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very clean -
nice plug and play option. ciomas.
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12-20-2011, 06:10 AM | #10 |
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I will ask the guys if they have any graphs to support the temperature logs.
Frankie, thanks for updating the sticky
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12-21-2011, 03:37 AM | #11 |
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The results are slightly better than I initialy thought. The stock intercooler peaked at 66.2 deg C and Forge Intercooler peaked at 36.6 deg C so a difference of 30 deg C. Ambient temp was 12 deg C. Testing has been carried out on a dyno. Im expecting for these results to be even better with more airflow when the vehicle is moving.
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