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      12-29-2011, 09:02 AM   #1
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Thinking of Apex wheels for track.

Leaning towards 18" square setup. Anyone have any thoughts/opinions?
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i'm running their 18x10 square setup. I'm thinking of getting a second track set 18x9.5 but will run 'rain' tires.

Wheels are lite and affordable.
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      12-29-2011, 12:38 PM   #3
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i'm running their 18x10 square setup. I'm thinking of getting a second track set 18x9.5 but will run 'rain' tires.

Wheels are lite and affordable.
What is the offset on the 10s? Any advantage of the 10s over the 9.5s?
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et25. Depends how wide tires you plan to run. If running upto 275, either wheel will work. The 10 will stick out abit more.
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Leaning towards 18" square setup. Anyone have any thoughts/opinions?


you should search ..... and check out one of the other various APEX threads... they have like photos and advice and stuff..

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=611087


http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=614988


http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=536206

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      12-30-2011, 01:42 PM   #6
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you should search ..... and check out one of the other various APEX threads... they have like photos and advice and stuff..

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=611087


http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=614988


http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=536206
Just looking for a little discussion. Thanks for the links, I did read these before posting this thread but didn't quite find what I was looking for. In the end with feedback from Apex I have decided on 18x9.5" et22 but am up in the air weather to go with 275/35/18 or 276/35/18 all around. Likely the 275s.

To be honest the 'just search' comments are generally getting a bit old on this forum. I suppose we could just replace the discussion forum with a link to Google Search.
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Just looking for a little discussion. Thanks for the links, I did read these before posting this thread but didn't quite find what I was looking for. In the end with feedback from Apex I have decided on 18x9.5" et22 but am up in the air weather to go with 275/35/18 or 276/35/18 all around. Likely the 275s.

To be honest the 'just search' comments are generally getting a bit old on this forum. I suppose we could just replace the discussion forum with a link to Google Search.

Well I try to be a little more helpful than post SEARCH in all caps or something

of course if you do search... nothing wrong with bumping an older thread and adding to it right?

The 9.5s will fit a wider selection of tires probably.. and won't stick out as much.... the 10s do extend outside the wheel wells in the front, and of course put more rubber to the road but the tire may rub depending on what tire is fit to them..

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i went with a staggered setup for the track, i didn't want to have any of them stick out.

but I do love them, I think they are by far the best track wheels out there. they are functional and actually look good on the car.

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i went with a staggered setup for the track, i didn't want to have any of them stick out.

but I do love them, I think they are by far the best track wheels out there. they are functional and actually look good on the car.

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I like the idea of being able to rotate front to back with the squaller setup as well.
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Leaning towards 18" square setup. Anyone have any thoughts/opinions?
You can't go wrong with either a squared(max tire life with rotation) or staggered(max tire and rear bite) setup for your 1M.
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Any place to find those apex in europ without having to sell an arm?

Hi all, i'm looking for the best options for the track setup, and i'm interested in the apex, but I can't find any place in belgium or Germany that sells them.

Any help?
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Just looking for a little discussion. Thanks for the links, I did read these before posting this thread but didn't quite find what I was looking for. In the end with feedback from Apex I have decided on 18x9.5" et22 but am up in the air weather to go with 275/35/18 or 276/35/18 all around. Likely the 275s.

To be honest the 'just search' comments are generally getting a bit old on this forum. I suppose we could just replace the discussion forum with a link to Google Search.
Trying to figure out a square setup too. There seems to be more tire choices with 275/35/18s. Not sure i've read anyone who has confirmed 18x9.5 ET+22 is the appropriate size for the perfect fit. I'm planning on running Hoosiers, Toyo R888s, or Hankook RS-3s. I like to rotate my tires so would rather not get into a staggered setup.

There is an Apex group buy going on but they only have 18x9.5 ET+35 available for a square setup. Not sure which would be a better fit the +22 or +35.

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Trying to figure out a square setup too. There seems to be more tire choices with 275/35/18s. Not sure i've read anyone who has confirmed 18x9.5 ET+22 is the appropriate size for the perfect fit. I'm planning on running Hoosiers, Toyo R888s, or Hankook RS-3s. I like to rotate my tires so would rather not get into a staggered setup.

There is an Apex group buy going on but they only have 18x9.5 ET+35 available for a square setup. Not sure which would be a better fit the +22 or +35.

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We were the first to fit these wheels to the 1M. With +35 you will need a 3 or 5mm spacer depend on tires used. +22 you are good with just about any tire under 275. Although 265 really fits better and rubs much less, again, depend on the tires you run.
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      01-18-2012, 06:56 AM   #14
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We were the first to fit these wheels to the 1M. With +35 you will need a 3 or 5mm spacer depend on tires used. +22 you are good with just about any tire under 275. Although 265 really fits better and rubs much less, again, depend on the tires you run.
Thanks Harold

I don't mind running spacers so which would be the preferable offset/tire size in your opinion. My suspension is currently stock but I'm sure I'm going to hopefully go with the ohlins setup that's currently being developed.mIll most definitely buy from u come spring since u have been so helpful on the forums.

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Thanks Harold

I don't mind running spacers so which would be the preferable offset/tire size in your opinion. My suspension is currently stock but I'm sure I'm going to hopefully go with the ohlins setup that's currently being developed.mIll most definitely buy from u come spring since u have been so helpful on the forums.

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Here is what I received from Apex.

You can run either 18x10" ET25 or 18x9.5" ET22 as a square setup. The preferred fitment would be 18x10" with 275/35/18's all around, but it can be tight up front depending on the tire that is used. Camber plates are usually needed to get the 10's to fit cleanly, although we've had no reported issues from customers who purchased the 10's, and I don't believe they all have them. We always recommend camber plates with any of these setups as the wider tires cannot be taken advantage of if there is no negative camber up front, and they provide extra fender clearance which can avoid costly damage if there were fender contact on a stock setup.

If you don't want to deal with any camber plates, and you want a rub free setup then you could opt to run the 18x9.5" et22 wheels with 275/35/18's all around. That is only slightly more conservative, but is a clean fit without any other modifications.
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Thanks MrRoboto

18x9.5 ET+22 for me. I'm not planning on upgrading suspension this season as I'd like to have a go with the stock setup. Depending on how the car feels I'll opt for either the ohlins setup in development or just some dampers as Advevo did. The streets in Montreal are pitiful and I've learned my lessons of what not to do with my last Mini. I've also read u can dial in a couple of degrees of camber with the regular top mounts.

Btw where are u in Canada? Ill be running Tremblant, Mosport, Calabogie, & Shannonville this summer. If u are east we should def link up.

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Thanks MrRoboto

18x9.5 ET+22 for me. I'm not planning on upgrading suspension this season as I'd like to have a go with the stock setup. Depending on how the car feels I'll opt for either the ohlins setup in development or just some dampers as Advevo did. The streets in Montreal are pitiful and I've learned my lessons of what not to do with my last Mini. I've also read u can dial in a couple of degrees of camber with the regular top mounts.

Btw where are u in Canada? Ill be running Tremblant, Mosport, Calabogie, & Shannonville this summer. If u are east we should def link up.

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Good stuff. I am down in Halifax, plan on doing Calabogie this summer. AMP is fun and quite technical, but looking forward to a larger track.

What rubber are you planning for your track wheels?
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Good stuff. I am down in Halifax, plan on doing Calabogie this summer. AMP is fun and quite technical, but looking forward to a larger track.

What rubber are you planning for your track wheels?
Not sure yet. I'm used to running Toyo RA-1s or R888s but they are over $400 each over here. On my Mini's 15" setup it would run me $1000 for a full set mounted. Options I have found:

Hoosier R6/A6: $317 each UTQG: 40 - Talontire.ca
Hankook Z214: $236 each UTQG: 40 - tirerack.com (+shipping)

Hankook RS-3: $258 each UTQG: 140 - tirerack.com (+shipping)
Toyo R888: $405 each UTQG: 100 - 1010tires.com (+shipping)

Looks like I'll get the best bang for my buck with RS-3s though I do have a soft spot for Hoosiers

Ill keep u in the loop of the events I'm running (open lapping days).

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Thanks Harold

I don't mind running spacers so which would be the preferable offset/tire size in your opinion. My suspension is currently stock but I'm sure I'm going to hopefully go with the ohlins setup that's currently being developed.mIll most definitely buy from u come spring since u have been so helpful on the forums.

Cheers

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As a more conservative setup, 18x9.5 with et22 with 265's will clear fender and strut. Depend on tire brand, you may get some running on the inner fender liner at full steering lock. If you plan to lower your vehicle with coil overs and no camber plates, this is the setup.

18x10 will most likely need camber plates when used with 275's. Again, tire brand will determine the amount of clearance you need.

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Not sure yet. I'm used to running Toyo RA-1s or R888s but they are over $400 each over here. On my Mini's 15" setup it would run me $1000 for a full set mounted. Options I have found:

Hoosier R6/A6: $317 each UTQG: 40 - Talontire.ca
Hankook Z214: $236 each UTQG: 40 - tirerack.com (+shipping)

Hankook RS-3: $258 each UTQG: 140 - tirerack.com (+shipping)
Toyo R888: $405 each UTQG: 100 - 1010tires.com (+shipping)

Looks like I'll get the best bang for my buck with RS-3s though I do have a soft spot for Hoosiers

Ill keep u in the loop of the events I'm running (open lapping days).

Cheers

Amit
RS3 will be as close to any R-comp tire you will ever get as a street tire at a low price tag. In Redline Time Attack street tire class, this is also the tire that took more podium finishes than others.

We are using this same tire for autox and track days, but we also have a set of R6's mounted on Apex wheels when we want to click off some lighting fast laps.
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RS3's are what I wash thinking as well. I was hoping to do 18x9.5 ET+22, with 275/35ZR18 , but maybe I would be better off with 265/35ZR18 to be safe.
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RS3's are what I wash thinking as well. I was hoping to do 18x9.5 ET+22, with 275/35ZR18 , but maybe I would be better off with 265/35ZR18 to be safe.

See my notes on the RS3s and a few other tires in another thread...

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=602568

After trying those with my 10s.... I'm not too optimistic that the 275/35/18 RS3 will work... even with the 9.5s... if it does it will be VERY close to rubbing the front of the inner wheelhouse as you turn the wheel.. This is simply a case of the tire construction being so tall that you really will have to have camber plates in my opinion. With my 10" wheels there was rubbing WAY before getting to full steering lock. The 285/30/18 Hoosier actually fit far better... and would certainly be an option on 9.5" wheels for sure.... and might even fit on some cars with 10s..

The Hankook RS3 definitely is the hot street tire out there... so if you want to go with it then 265s on a 9.5 or 10" wheel should work..

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See my notes on the RS3s and a few other tires in another thread...

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=602568

After trying those with my 10s.... I'm not too optimistic that the 275/35/18 RS3 will work... even with the 9.5s... if it does it will be VERY close to rubbing the front of the inner wheelhouse as you turn the wheel.. This is simply a case of the tire construction being so tall that you really will have to have camber plates in my opinion. With my 10" wheels there was rubbing WAY before getting to full steering lock. The 285/30/18 Hoosier actually fit far better... and would certainly be an option on 9.5" wheels for sure.... and might even fit on some cars with 10s..

The Hankook RS3 definitely is the hot street tire out there... so if you want to go with it then 265s on a 9.5 or 10" wheel should work..
Another confirmation on wheel and tire combo for the 1M.

Hoosiers have much rounded shoulders and are smaller in diameter in general than the RS3's. If you are driving your car to the track, the RS3 is the way to go.
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