Long crank ONLY after heat soak

BzzzBom · 06-16-2007, 02:16 PM

My car is a 2/07 build 335i coupe. After the car sits for 1-2 hrs (heat soak) I have noticed a long crank (3-4 seconds) but no other symptoms. The car starts perfectly in the morning, after sitting for a short time or when cooled down. There are no other symptoms of a failing fuel pump mentioned in other posts. Does anyone else have an extended crank time ONLY after heat soak??

Doss · 06-26-2007, 04:42 PM

I've experianced this once when I left my car for about 45min, it had a 3-4 second crank. Haven't experianced since. I think mine is a 02/07 or 03/07 build .

am_ver · 06-26-2007, 04:45 PM

fuel pump malfunction. my car had this (only) similar symptom

e46SilverM3 · 06-26-2007, 06:38 PM

mine did that a lot more often last month... long crank after heat soak. come to think of it, it hasnt happened in the last few weeks. Maybe it was the gas? i remember reading somewhere about the quality of gas (and amnt of ethanol in it) having something to do with it?
or maybe i'm just fooling myself and the fuel pump WILL die in the near future. if it happens it happens...

Doss · 06-26-2007, 07:01 PM

Actually I should add that at the time I experianced the long crank was when my car was low on fuel, but definatley was not completely empty my "fuel light" had just turned on before I turned the car off.

noro · 06-26-2007, 08:38 PM

Fuel pumps usually are fitted with check valves that keep the line pressurized, so in some ways it may be fuel pump related.

Spool · 06-26-2007, 09:11 PM

Sign of failing fuel pump....

Brace yourself...

msimon18 · 06-26-2007, 09:19 PM

I read that BMW states NOT TO USE FUEL WITH ETHANOL !!

Not sure why but I think it is on the gas door as well.

Spool · 06-26-2007, 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by msimon18

I read that BMW states NOT TO USE FUEL WITH ETHANOL !!

Not sure why but I think it is on the gas door as well.

A majority of gas station blend ethanol in their fuel nowadays...it's just too hard to find one without

montreal_bimmer · 06-26-2007, 10:01 PM

should be fine.... if one day it doesnt start, then you may have a problem....

but until then, you'll be alright

Orient330iNYC · 06-27-2007, 12:00 AM

http://www.bmwtis.com/tsb/bulletins/...p/B125506g.htm

its one of the signs of a failed high pressure fuel pump. not definitive, but cause for concern. if the software update doesnt fix it (and it doesnt seem to in most cases) the fuel pump is on its way out...

SITUATION II
Customer may complain of:

* Excessive cranking time before engine starts (5-6 seconds) on cold start, or after hot soak,

* In most cases GT1/DIS diagnosis shows fault code 29DC, and/or 2FBF.

CAUSE
Sensitivity of the high pressure injection pump (HHP) diagnostic software.

CORRECTION
On a customer complaint basis only, and when the listed above fault codes are stored in DME memory:

* 1. Check vehicle's integration level.

* 2. If the integration level is found to be "E089-06-09-540", or lower, then reprogram/recode complete vehicle using PROGMAN V24.02, or higher (target integration level "E089-06-12-510", or higher).

* 3. Test drive vehicle after programming to verify effectiveness of the repair.

In case, vehicle was already reprogrammed with V24.02 (to the integration E089-06-12-510) and fault codes 29DC, and/or 2FBF/29F1/29F2 are found to be stored in DME; or a high pressure injection pump faults are coming during back during test drive after V24.02 reprogramming then:

1. Perform all applicable DIS/GT1 test plans, mainly B1214_ DI6KHDR/NDR (high pressure fuel system, rail pressure sensor, volume control valve test), and B1612_ STR/SPG/VER (low pressure fuel system check). Test modules may be accessed using the path: Function selection; Drive; Motor Electronics; then High-pressure/Low-pressure fuel system; Test plan.

2. Make sure that a FASTA data is transmitted after completion of all appropriate test modules.

3. Replace the high pressure fuel pump, when prompted by the results of DIS/GT1 test plans. For the pump replacement procedure refer to RA 13 51 017 found in BMW TIS.

4. After replacement, clear adaptation values of the high pressure flow control valve in the DME. Refer to SI B12 16 06 for adaptation reset procedure.

Orient330iNYC · 06-27-2007, 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by msimon18

I read that BMW states NOT TO USE FUEL WITH ETHANOL !!

Not sure why but I think it is on the gas door as well.

no choice in the NE because of our emissions standards. With MTBE outlawed, the only other oxygenate is ethanol. In NY and NJ its impossible to buy gas that isnt 10% ethanol.

pjkilz · 06-27-2007, 12:14 AM

yeah mine has this currently and i posted somethin bout this bout a week ago and everyone said it was the fuel pump

i am going into bmw thursday evening but if i hav to wait 2 months like everyone else for a damn fuel pump i will be very pissed

(cuz the only reason i bought my car is to have it for the summer.. thats why i didnt wait a couple months for the 08 model)

KenoSabe78 · 06-27-2007, 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pjkilz

yeah mine has this currently and i posted somethin bout this bout a week ago and everyone said it was the fuel pump

i am going into bmw thursday evening but if i hav to wait 2 months like everyone else for a damn fuel pump i will be very pissed

(cuz the only reason i bought my car is to have it for the summer.. thats why i didnt wait a couple months for the 08 model)

Yeah, this is major bu11$hit!!! I was hoping to cruise all throughout the summer in my new ride but now will most likely be rollin 4th of july in my loaner (which might not be bad considering the amount of a$$*0le drivers who'll be out on the road)...but still, tomorrow will be a month and if it goes anywhere near two months I'm gonna be 10 times more pissed than I am now. :mad:

:mad:

iatacs19 · 06-27-2007, 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by msimon18

I read that BMW states NOT TO USE FUEL WITH ETHANOL !!

Not sure why but I think it is on the gas door as well.

Please stop making shit up. This is a disservice to the E90Post community.

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Bimmer335i07 · 06-27-2007, 08:10 AM

Man, these couple of days it has taken about 4-5 seconds of cranking or whatever you call it before the car starts. I'm starting to think it might be the humidity? Well regardless, I made an appointment with my dealer to bring my car in next Friday. Hopefully, they can resolve the problem before our BBQ meet on July 15.

drmalmgren · 06-27-2007, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KenoSabe78

Yeah, this is major bu11$hit!!! I was hoping to cruise all throughout the summer in my new ride but now will most likely be rollin 4th of july in my loaner (which might not be bad considering the amount of a$$*0le drivers who'll be out on the road)...but still, tomorrow will be a month and if it goes anywhere near two months I'm gonna be 10 times more pissed than I am now. :mad:

:mad:

I took mine in this morning for the usual failure symptoms and was refused a loaner or rental. Consider yourself lucky that they provided you with a ride.

pjkilz · 06-27-2007, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iatacs19

Please stop making shit up. This is a disservice to the E90Post community.

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hahah wow u jus OWNED him

well done

pjkilz · 06-27-2007, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drmalmgren

I took mine in this morning for the usual failure symptoms and was refused a loaner or rental. Consider yourself lucky that they provided you with a ride.

well u can only get a loaner if u go to the place that u bought ur car from..

BzzzBom · 07-01-2007, 10:01 AM

Apparently it is normal to have occasional long cranks after heat-soak. The car is adapting to the temperature change. I have had sporadic long cranks (3-4 seconds) after the car sits for 1-2 hours since I have owned the car.

KevinC · 07-01-2007, 01:06 PM

The only time my crank ISN'T long is after a cold swim or shower.

:rocks:

06-16-2007, 02:16 PM	#1
BzzzBom Major 93 Rep 1,216 Posts Drives: 05 R53 MINI / 09 335i Coupe Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Los Angeles iTrader: (0)	Long crank ONLY after heat soak My car is a 2/07 build 335i coupe. After the car sits for 1-2 hrs (heat soak) I have noticed a long crank (3-4 seconds) but no other symptoms. The car starts perfectly in the morning, after sitting for a short time or when cooled down. There are no other symptoms of a failing fuel pump mentioned in other posts. Does anyone else have an extended crank time ONLY after heat soak??
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Doss Private 2 Rep 67 Posts Drives: 2007 335i coupe Join Date: May 2007 Location: Turlock iTrader: (0)	I've experianced this once when I left my car for about 45min, it had a 3-4 second crank. Haven't experianced since. I think mine is a 02/07 or 03/07 build . __________________ 335i coupe sport package Proceed V2 / KW V2. My other car
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am_ver Lieutenant 37 Rep 587 Posts Drives: Audi A6 Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: SF Bay Area (Woodside) iTrader: (2)	fuel pump malfunction. my car had this (only) similar symptom __________________ 2006 A6 3.2 Quattro 2008 e93 335i, 6sp MT, Montego Blue, Saddle, Burl, ZSP, Bluetooth, iDrive, PDC, V1+CD 2007 e92 335i coupe, 6sp MT, Montego, Beige, ZPP, iDrive, PDC 2006 e90 325i, ZPP, iDrive, Arctic, Xenon Last edited by am_ver; 06-26-2007 at 07:12 PM..
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e46SilverM3 Private First Class 10 Rep 112 Posts Drives: '04 BMW E46 M3 Join Date: May 2007 Location: White Plains, NY iTrader: (0)	mine did that a lot more often last month... long crank after heat soak. come to think of it, it hasnt happened in the last few weeks. Maybe it was the gas? i remember reading somewhere about the quality of gas (and amnt of ethanol in it) having something to do with it? or maybe i'm just fooling myself and the fuel pump WILL die in the near future. if it happens it happens... __________________ 2014 F10 M5 ECU Tuning Group harness, Turner muffler delete, blacked out, CF AP diffuser/M Performance trim, DCT [/SIGPIC]
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Doss Private 2 Rep 67 Posts Drives: 2007 335i coupe Join Date: May 2007 Location: Turlock iTrader: (0)	Actually I should add that at the time I experianced the long crank was when my car was low on fuel, but definatley was not completely empty my "fuel light" had just turned on before I turned the car off. __________________ 335i coupe sport package Proceed V2 / KW V2. My other car
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noro Colonel 90 Rep 2,707 Posts Drives: '91 M3, '04 E46 ZHP, '72 2002 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Boston iTrader: (0)	Fuel pumps usually are fitted with check valves that keep the line pressurized, so in some ways it may be fuel pump related. __________________ zhpregistry.net - ZHP stats and free classifieds.
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Orient330iNYC Brigadier General 1469 Rep 3,552 Posts Drives: 2023 X7 40i Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Wall St iTrader: (2)	http://www.bmwtis.com/tsb/bulletins/...p/B125506g.htm its one of the signs of a failed high pressure fuel pump. not definitive, but cause for concern. if the software update doesnt fix it (and it doesnt seem to in most cases) the fuel pump is on its way out... SITUATION II Customer may complain of: * Excessive cranking time before engine starts (5-6 seconds) on cold start, or after hot soak, * In most cases GT1/DIS diagnosis shows fault code 29DC, and/or 2FBF. CAUSE Sensitivity of the high pressure injection pump (HHP) diagnostic software. CORRECTION On a customer complaint basis only, and when the listed above fault codes are stored in DME memory: * 1. Check vehicle's integration level. * 2. If the integration level is found to be "E089-06-09-540", or lower, then reprogram/recode complete vehicle using PROGMAN V24.02, or higher (target integration level "E089-06-12-510", or higher). * 3. Test drive vehicle after programming to verify effectiveness of the repair. In case, vehicle was already reprogrammed with V24.02 (to the integration E089-06-12-510) and fault codes 29DC, and/or 2FBF/29F1/29F2 are found to be stored in DME; or a high pressure injection pump faults are coming during back during test drive after V24.02 reprogramming then: 1. Perform all applicable DIS/GT1 test plans, mainly B1214_ DI6KHDR/NDR (high pressure fuel system, rail pressure sensor, volume control valve test), and B1612_ STR/SPG/VER (low pressure fuel system check). Test modules may be accessed using the path: Function selection; Drive; Motor Electronics; then High-pressure/Low-pressure fuel system; Test plan. 2. Make sure that a FASTA data is transmitted after completion of all appropriate test modules. 3. Replace the high pressure fuel pump, when prompted by the results of DIS/GT1 test plans. For the pump replacement procedure refer to RA 13 51 017 found in BMW TIS. 4. After replacement, clear adaptation values of the high pressure flow control valve in the DME. Refer to SI B12 16 06 for adaptation reset procedure. __________________ Present: 2023 G07 40i ZDH/ZDU/ZMP/ZMQ/2NH/ZPK/ZPP/ZRC/300/3AC Past: 2013 335i 6MT ZMM/ZDH/ZTP/3AG/494/508 Past: 2016 F34 335i xDrive ZCW/ZDA/ZDH/ZTP/ZMP/2V5/5DL Past: 2019 G01 M40i ZDA/2VF/ZPP/ZPX/688/3AC
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pjkilz Private 2 Rep 77 Posts Drives: Black 335i Coupe w/ Aero Kit Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Los Angeles, CA iTrader: (0)	yeah mine has this currently and i posted somethin bout this bout a week ago and everyone said it was the fuel pump i am going into bmw thursday evening but if i hav to wait 2 months like everyone else for a damn fuel pump i will be very pissed (cuz the only reason i bought my car is to have it for the summer.. thats why i didnt wait a couple months for the 08 model)
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BzzzBom Major 93 Rep 1,216 Posts Drives: 05 R53 MINI / 09 335i Coupe Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Los Angeles iTrader: (0)	Apparently it is normal to have occasional long cranks after heat-soak. The car is adapting to the temperature change. I have had sporadic long cranks (3-4 seconds) after the car sits for 1-2 hours since I have owned the car.
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